Calais- Are we to blame?

Yes (and no). I type this from my wife's parent’s property in Albuquerque, situated in a beautiful barren dirty sandpit of a state with hardly any rainfall and an altogether heavy reliance on hatch green chilies!

I'm sure if the jetstream did not play its part, the UK would be an unfavorable haunt. But it does and it is, at least for me! Food aside, she’s a great cook and I’m an expert on re-heating.
 
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The main issues are the English language and existing networks of friends in the UK.

The welfare system in the UK available to asylum seekers isn't that different to France, Germany etc.

As someone mentioned, if you know people then getting illegal work is also easier.

Believe it or not, but people also admire the UK.
 
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Tefal said:
why when they mostly speak french and not English?
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They don't mostly speak French. The biggest group of immigrants in Calais are Afghanis. Other groups include Syrians, Iraqis, Sudanese etc.
 
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Are not the Police in other European country's more stricter than in the UK ?

I know that in Greece they beat the crap out of you if you start acting up. I actually saw a clip on youtube of a Greek policeman break an Africans leg whilst he was arresting him.
 
[FnG]magnolia;26864063 said:
Is there anyone certain GD mouth breathers do like who aren't white skinned, blue eyed, blonde haired British born Brits?
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I can't speak for others but the problem is that when people come out with stuff like that they also tend to end up lumping the likes of me, who is not racist, but believes there needs to be drastic changes in how we control immigration all into the same pot.

I think people are getting confused here. Immigration isn't bad if it serves a need that can't be met by the native population. But there is a fundamental problem when we a) get people in who have no skills b) get people in who have skills but will end up being a net cost c) get people in who have skills which the native population could be stimulated to do. We have people focusing on group a) and another group moaning about the population we need to be doing c) on. However, they are all problems. If there is a problem with an ageing population then adding low earners to the situation is hardly going to help and just offsets the time and makes things worse you actually kind of need to tackle the real issue.

As to the OP remove the incentives for immigrants - tbh if they can't stand on their own two feet for a number of years they are not going to be offering something that substantial are they. And that goes no matter where they come from.
 
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One thing I've found since being here is that despite the incredibly generous state subsidies here, the French do not like giving benefits to people - non French especially - if they do not pay tax.

Eg for healthcare you need a CV (Carte Vitale) which you can only get with a social security number, and you need insurance. It's that simple.

It was hard enough coming here as a legal economic migrant! I can't imagine how hard it is to come here and try to get help as an illegal.
 
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Xordium said:
I can't speak for others but the problem is that when people come out with stuff like that they also tend to end up lumping the likes of me, who is not racist, but believes there needs to be drastic changes in how we control immigration all into the same pot.
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I try not to be sloppy with my wording and the use of 'certain' was quite deliberate. I understand your position and you weren't the target. I was echoing Nitefly's point (I hope I understood it correctly) that the level of anti-muslim/immigration/foreigner threads and general sentiment on these boards was initially amusing in a 'this can't be real' kind of way but now has become boring and borderline distasteful.
 
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I try not to be sloppy with my wording and the use of 'certain' was quite deliberate. I understand your position and you weren't the target. I was echoing Nitefly's point (I hope I understood it correctly) that the level of anti-muslim/immigration/foreigner threads and general sentiment on these boards was initially amusing in a 'this can't be real' kind of way but now has become boring and borderline distasteful.
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Yeah it is pretty boring now, can't we go back to spec me a hamster threads?

In answer to OP, they want to come here because they tend to have better English language skills than French. They also tend to earn more in London than they would do in France.

If it was to do with benefits then they'd just stay in France as they're just as, and in some cases more, generous than we are.
 
Nope - France enjoy turning a blind eye and passing the problem on so barely make any effort to prevent it from happening.

However both countries need to adopt a much stricter immigration policy and should start turning people around at the point of arrival. The last thing we should be doing is allowing people into the country temporarily and then expecting them to turn up to an office, in order to be thrown out (most likely).
 
[FnG]magnolia;26864667 said:
I was echoing Nitefly's point (I hope I understood it correctly) that the level of anti-muslim/immigration/foreigner threads and general sentiment on these boards was initially amusing in a 'this can't be real' kind of way but now has become boring and borderline distasteful.
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The problem though is that the sentiment is there and some of it is justified. There is also the tendency to trample any debate with the racist rhetoric and therefore the issues don't get addressed. That just fosters the resentment that you see. Now add into that mix the fact that we have just had a big hit globally and bar the odd few elite most people are great deal worse off than they were 10 years ago and you are left with a rather unpleasant toxic mess. People would do well to remember what happened the last time humanity went down this route.
 
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One thing I've found since being here is that despite the incredibly generous state subsidies here, the French do not like giving benefits to people - non French especially - if they do not pay tax.

Eg for healthcare you need a CV (Carte Vitale) which you can only get with a social security number, and you need insurance. It's that simple.

It was hard enough coming here as a legal economic migrant! I can't imagine how hard it is to come here and try to get help as an illegal.
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Scream 'human rights' and hope that Brussels buys it.
 
English land is not a "soft touch" as much as you think it is.

Blame the people traffickers, who tell them to get to England (for a large fee) for milk and cookies
 
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The problem though is that the sentiment is there and some of it is justified. There is also the tendency to trample any debate with the racist rhetoric and therefore the issues don't get addressed. That just fosters the resentment that you see. Now add into that mix the fact that we have just had a big hit globally and bar the odd few elite most people are great deal worse off than they were 10 years ago and you are left with a rather unpleasant toxic mess. People would do well to remember what happened the last time humanity went down this route.
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Some of it may be justified, I don't disagree. Racist rhetoric is annoying but also provides suitable cover for genuine racists to hide behind; this is evidenced in many if not all of the threads to do with immigration on these forums.

I'm not at all sure what you're referencing towards the end of your post. The GFC? What route?
 
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