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GTX 880
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NVIDIA have puppet stringed our wallets so much that some people think the Titan Black is a decent card for the money.
They have used the dupe of supercomputer power to trick us into buying enthusiasts graphics cards at twice the price they were before the whole full fat Kepler debacle.
Completely moved the goalposts in terms of price for people that really only want the best GAMING gpu.
Would have been better if they kept their workstation cards separate instead of baiting gamers to pay for something they don't need.
Oh well I'm sure this tactic has made NVIDIA lots of money and as long as we're willing to pay then it's more success for them.
They have used the dupe of supercomputer power to trick us into buying enthusiasts graphics cards at twice the price they were before the whole full fat Kepler debacle.
Completely moved the goalposts in terms of price for people that really only want the best GAMING gpu.
Would have been better if they kept their workstation cards separate instead of baiting gamers to pay for something they don't need.
Oh well I'm sure this tactic has made NVIDIA lots of money and as long as we're willing to pay then it's more success for them.
Actually the Titan and Titan Black are worth every penny if people put them to good use, by that I don't mean as workstation cards either.
If you use a 4K monitor with 4 Titans and see how well they cope both with the VRAM and drivers it makes any other options for cards seem pointless.
What is even better is these cards have been around now for over 18 months and they are still the go to cards for 4K, now that is what I call value for money.
The Titans like all cards if used correctly are great, the same can be said of the 290Xs but they are aimed at a different part of the market.
Problem with the 290s and 295x2 is the 4gb ram. If they had 8gb ram I would imagine they would be as good or better than a Titan setup.
Though a Titan setup with a 4k G-sync monitor might be hard to beat.
No they run out of VRAM very quickly
Using just two 290Xs in CF is not that big a problem as they don't have the GPU grunt to get the fps up high enough to use max settings.
If you use 3 or 4 290Xs at 4K they do have the GPU grunt to get the fps high enough that you want to turn the settings up and thats where the problems start.
4 Titans have both the GPU grunt and that 6gb frame buffer which allows you to use max settings.
Problem with the 290s and 295x2 is the 4gb ram. If they had 8gb ram I would imagine they would be as good or better than a Titan setup.
Though a Titan setup with a 4k G-sync monitor might be hard to beat.
If you could watercool 4 x 8gb 290Xs they would be better as their 512bit bus is faster at 4K. Unfortunately sapphire only made 250 8gb 290Xs and it is almost impossible to get waterblocks for them so you can fit 4 on the same motherboard.
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Yea but the only reason why they are "good" is that because their gaming counterpart the "GTX780/GTX780Ti" has far less vram. Had the 780/780Ti not only got 3GB vram, they could well be not worse than the Titans for gaming.
Yea considering the last four GTX70 cards were launched at around £290/£330, and GTX80 cards were launched at around £400+ (well, GTX780 jumped from traditional launch price of the three GTX80 cards before it at around £400, because it launched at £550-£620 thanks the the "GTX Titan make them looks like a bargain effect")
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They are what they are.
As to the price when they launched (18 months ago) for what you got performance and spec wise they were worth the money. At the time it would have been very hard to criticize AMD as they had nothing to compete against the original Titans.
Unfortunately times have moved on and AMD launched the 290X with a very good 512bit bus, a fast GPU that can beat a Titan in some things and 4gb of VRAM (what idiot at AMD took the decision to restrict these cards to 4gb). Sapphire have proved it is possible to supply the 290X with 8gb (until AMD stopped them). So anyone who criticises NVidia on the price of the Titan should really turn their attention to the incompetence of the AMD marketing team for not allowing anyone to produce an 8gb variant of the 290X.
If anyone says that an 8gb 290X is a niche market should go and have a chat with Gibbo as he managed to shift them pretty quick.
NVidia are in business to make money and if AMD are prepared to let them carry on doing it, good luck to NVidia.
I am starting to think NVidia may be doing the same as AMD have done with their R9 285 card when it comes to memory bus and management. What AMD have done is noticeably better than older cards with a 256bit bus but probably not as good as a proper 384bit bus.
Still if it does the job for NVidia on what in 6 to 9 months will be their mid range card they will be more than happy.
Still if it does the job for NVidia on what in 6 to 9 months will be their mid range card they will be more than happy.
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Gpu's, always expensive no matter how you look at it.
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It's funny because less than a year ago people were arguing that the 4GB on the R9 290/x's wasn't necessary and that the 3GB Nvidia cards weren't V-ram limited.
As soon as 4k got some momentum, it's really 6GB+ needed.
I know what you mean.
A lot of it I think is related to brand loyalty
I have always argued more along the lines of horses for courses. Up until recently I would say that 2gb was enough for anything up to 1600p which was the case, you could even run Crysis 3 maxed. Unfortunately there have been some new game releases (not possibly the best written) like RTW2 and Watchdogs for example that have pushed VRAM usage to silly amounts even @1080p. Having said that if you use something like a single Titan which can cope with crazy memory demands it still does not have the GPU grunt to push something like Watchdogs @Max settings even @1080p.
@4K with 4 times the number of pixels that 1080p uses 4gb of VRAM gets swallowed up by even older games very quickly. If I use my 2gb GTX 690s on a 4K screen, all they are good for is browsing the internet, reading emails and posting on this forum.
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Why is Nvidia doing a 256bit bus??? Wouldn't 512bit bus make more sense?
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For $$$? 
Because they are pulling a 680 and releasing the 980 with the GM104 chip (which is the successor to the 770s GK104) We wont see the full on GM100 until they are finally able to move away from 28nm.
I want a new workstation/ gaming system already, but I think I'll hold off until next year in that case.
I bought the GTX 680 at a silly price on launch, and it wasn't all that really.