You've just crash landed in a remote jungle....

Rroff said:
Granted naturally dry tinder won't be just lying about but if you have the machete its possibly to find some kindling/tinder if you have half an idea where to look.
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That was the point I was making and some nitwit turned around and said the machete isn't flammable.
 
Chain gun.
Machete.

I cannot believe everyone overlooked the rotary cannon, just get busy firing into the canope.
Dump the whole belt, it'll make it bleed.
Remember kids, if it bleeds, we can kill it.

Then get to work with the machete.
 
FoxEye said:
I thought he was a theologian? Or in some field of linguistics. Just going by all the religion threads he posts in.
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As a matter of interest I dug a load of old stuff out and relating to what people soldiers died of in wars which largely occurred in equatorial jungle. So excluding hostile and friendly fire trained and prepared people still died of accidents 1/2 of the time (greater number recently but this would include RTAs), self-inflicted 1/4 of the time and the remaining 1/4 was illness with the a few unexplained etc. Whilst this is a very different scenario I thought that it was interesting that people have identified that you should keep close to the plane for people finding you but not because travelling is inherently dangerous when it quite clearly is. Moreover, everyone has talked about what 2 items they would take and talked about how to get rescued by actually the most important thing would be hope you would get rescued because without that then the chances of giving up are high. Also interesting again despite support which in this case you wouldn't have etc the number dying from illness.
 
Rroff said:
Fallen branches (especially those caught off the ground) will be dry in the middle - only need a few smaller bits to scrape into to get the kindling/tinder needed to get a basic fire started and the rest goes from there.



Your assuming there that it is safe to remain in the vicinity of the plane crash and able to make a call on the conditions with regard to exposure - without being able to make those calls you have to take what will give you the best chance of long term survival and without fire your likely going to be dead very quickly, sheeting will do very little if your cold and damp with night coming on and it doesn't need to get all that cold in those conditions to put you in a pretty bad way - core temperature will plummet even with figures well above freezing.
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If the plane is on fire to the extent you can't enter it to remove more items it's fair to say the fuel tank has already blown. (I'm assuming this is a small plane not a 747) Therefore the worst has already happened, assuming this is real life rather than a movie your not gonna get multiple explosions and lobbing on burnable material would be reasonable risk to take considering the situation.

So you criticism of the sheeting is only based on not being able to start a fire.
It seems to be by far the most useful of the non machete items. (machete is the Leeroy Jenkins of the item list)

Matches would he hit and miss in a very humid atmosphere and require reasonably dry material and the magnesium fire starter kit needs dry material, I've used these. I've set lots of controlled wood fires. :)
 
Redz said:
There isn't. Too many variables and not enough info.
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Hmm, OK. Some more info, then:

The machete has a walnut handle. Some elephants are embossed on the blade.

The water purification kit isn't just a water purification kit, it's an M&S water purification kit.

The plastic sheet is green, and the initials "AP" are written in one corner with black permanent marker.

The magnesium fire starter kit smells faintly of perfume. You think it might be Lynx Africa.
 
FoxEye said:
Hmm, OK. Some more info, then:

The machete has a walnut handle. Some elephants are embossed on the blade.

The water purification kit isn't just a water purification kit, it's an M&S water purification kit.

The plastic sheet is green, and the initials "AP" are written in one corner with black permanent marker.

The magnesium fire starter kit smells faintly of perfume. You think it might be Lynx Africa.
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I think the point is, how large is the sheet, is then purification kit tablets or one of those new refill bottles, does the magnesium kit come with enough to disregard the need for a knife (etc).
 
Castiel said:
Caiman. Don't build camps near water sources, they attract predators and are subject to flooding and in any case although the Amazon and its tributaries are big enough, most of the rainforest is simply boggy and relatively still water or slow moving waters not nice clean fast moving waters. There are several types of river in the Rainforest and they are called Blackwater, Clearwater and whitewater...you can look up the differences.

Nasty places rainforests...hard to survive and harder to know what to look out for.
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That's in south American rainforests, others you've got salties and "Nile" crocs...!
 
Redz said:
I think the plastic sheet is on the list because you can use one to make a solar still to collect water.;)
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I thought the plastic sheet was there as part of a Darwin Award. The people who took it would die off and improve the gene pool. :cool:
 
elmarko said:
I think the point is, how large is the sheet, is then purification kit tablets or one of those new refill bottles, does the magnesium kit come with enough to disregard the need for a knife (etc).
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I think we have to assume that all items will perform their intended function for 28 days, as often as needed.

The sheet is big enough to form a protective covering. For the sake of argument, perhaps a good sheet size would be roughly the size of a linen sheet from a double bed... It packs away pretty small and wouldn't be difficult to carry around. It's waterproof and has no holes.

Basically assume the sheet is actually worth considering.
 
Machete and saucepan, something to chop with and something to cook in. Fire can be made with wood from surrounding trees, shelter can be made with wood from surrounding trees. The saucepan can be used to boil water and cook food.
 
Sasahara said:
If the plane is on fire to the extent you can't enter it to remove more items it's fair to say the fuel tank has already blown. (I'm assuming this is a small plane not a 747) Therefore the worst has already happened, assuming this is real life rather than a movie your not gonna get multiple explosions and lobbing on burnable material would be reasonable risk to take considering the situation.

So you criticism of the sheeting is only based on not being able to start a fire.
It seems to be by far the most useful of the non machete items. (machete is the Leeroy Jenkins of the item list)

Matches would he hit and miss in a very humid atmosphere and require reasonably dry material and the magnesium fire starter kit needs dry material, I've used these. I've set lots of controlled wood fires. :)
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I'm not talking about danger from the plane itself but the immediate area could be hazardous i.e. on the edge of a cliff, high altitude where it gets very cold, boggy ground, etc. etc. and even if you did use it as an initial point of ignition thats not a good long term bet. The only reason I wouldn't take the fire starter kit is if I was 100% sure I could start a fire by other means. (And I know from experience I'm not that adept with a firebow, etc. in dry conditions let alone a rainforest).

At the point where your grabbing those items your not really in a position to evaluate the surroundings so you have to take what you know will give you the best indefinite chance of survival.
 
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