Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

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Dunks said:
Are you being dense?

A pet ferret, which exists only to be kept as a pet, is not the same as a wild animal in the African savannah.

A lion is born from nature into nature.

A pet ferret is born into domestication to be kept as a pet, leading a life it otherwise would not have.. This then leads to animals being killed to keep something alive as a pet.
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I have nothing against eating meat for survival.

I said that in my first post.
 
SkodaMart said:
If the only meat that was killed was used to feed animals that needed it...

Isn't that called natural balance? Like what happens on the African savannah?
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You're missing the point on this one.

Owning a meat-eating pet (or any pet, but the meat-eating ones are relevant here) is a lifestyle choice, not a requirement. By choosing to own a meat-eating pet you are feeding the meat industry, and consigning extra animals to die to feed your lifestyle choice.

It may be less direct than eating meat yourself, but it has the same result.
 
Haggisman said:
If carnivorous animals (like dogs, cats, ferrets, etc.) weren't bred to be kept as pets, there would be far fewer of them (there are something like 8 million each of pet cats and dogs in the UK). How many animals do you think are killed purely to feed those pets, which wouldn't otherwise exist?
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A fraction of the animals that are killed unnecessarily to feed humans.

There is increasing scientific evidence to suggest that eating meat isn't healthy anyway.

I heard yesterday that doctors are now only recommending meat twice a week.

That would be a great start.

They have also said that the 'five a day' program is way short of our actual; requirements.
 
spoffle said:
This isn't a response to anything I've said. You seem to just be deflecting now. I'm not talking about humane farming. I'm pointing out that you will be using products on a daily basis that are by products of the meat industry, that are really no different to consuming meat, and additionally how hypocritical you are for stating that you think dairy is worse, but you still consume it. You don't seem to really have a cogent argument, and unfortunately you seem to have fallen into the typical role of a mouthy preachy vegetarian.
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I was going to write a reply, but the above sums up my thoughts well.

The irony is strong in this thread.

OP is annoyed at the hypocrisy that he has read in another thread (So called animal lovers who eat meat).

OP starts a new topic, condemning such hypocrisy with gems like:

(Paraphrasing) "Dairy farming is worse, but I still eat dairy but feel uncomfortable about it."

Not to mention the silence regarding using products that derive or contain materials from animal waste / by products (sourced from the slaughter industry).

Damn those hypocrites in the other thread! :)
 
SkodaMart said:
I have nothing against eating meat for survival.

I said that in my first post.
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The ferret only needs to eat meat for survival because you're allowing it to exist by keeping it as a pet.

Any thoughts on my question about your consuming of dairy products?
 
cheesyboy said:
You're missing the point on this one.

Owning a meat-eating pet (or any pet, but the meat-eating ones are relevant here) is a lifestyle choice, not a requirement. By choosing to own a meat-eating pet you are feeding the meat industry, and consigning extra animals to die to feed your lifestyle choice.

It may be less direct than eating meat yourself, but it has the same result.
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Err... what?

I own a cat. My cat eats meat - he needs it to survive. But, apparently, his requirement of eating meat is my choice. :rolleyes: He'd eat that meat regardless of if he was my pet or roaming free.

I suggest you provide your brain with some more nutrients - it's clearly not working properly.
 
SkodaMart said:
Wrong. We are Frugivores.
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Wikipedia said:
Humans are omnivorous, capable of consuming a wide variety of plant and animal material.
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As awful as Wikipedia is as a source, I'm willing to trust it much more than your anti-meat propaganda. Also you know, the however many years of successful human propagation having had meat in our diet.

Also my canines are sharp and pointed. They extend further than my incisors by about 3mm. A picture of heavily orthodonticised and pearly white (likely American) teeth hardly depicts human teeth properly.

Humans can survive on a vegetarian diet nowadays due to the heavily GM'd fruits and veg we eat (in before "oh I don't eat GM". Yes you do. ALL cultivated food has been selectively bred for our purposes since agriculture began), also supplements. I hate vegetarians who say "oh i've got a perfectly balanced diet with supplements. Supplements means it's not balanced >.<

Off to enjoy a bacon sandwich with extra bacon. Maybe I'll have a side of bacon too.
 
SkodaMart said:
We will start with weight.

Many older meat eaters are overweight, even obese.
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Many older people are overweight, even obese...

The fact that there are more meat eaters than vegetarians inherently means that there will be more overweight meat eaters than vegetarians.

There are also other factors to look at, such as that someone looking at vegetarianism as a potentially healthier diet has already shown that they are considering the health of their diet, and therefore are likely to have a healthier diet anyway, vegetarian or otherwise.

M3G4UK said:
Err... what?

I own a cat. My cat eats meat - he needs it to survive. But, apparently, his requirement of eating meat is my choice. :rolleyes: He'd eat that meat regardless of if he was my pet or roaming free.

I suggest you provide your brain with some more nutrients - it's clearly not working properly.
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Your cat (and the other 8 million in the country) wouldn't exist if you and the other cat owners didn't choose to have them as pets. Therefore your choice to keep a cat is causing animals to be killed to feed him.
 
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cheesyboy said:
Retailers do a very good job of hiding how our food arrives on our plate. That disconnect helps them to devalue the hidden costs of such production so that we are not afraid of buying wasteful amounts. People are so used to the disconnect that they won't accept the truth, or don't want to see it. People talk of "humane" killing, and "welfare" farming without actually having a clue about what it means.

That's not a conspiracy, it's just marketing.
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Oh i agree but my statement still rings true.

Supermarkets are key and import meat from other countries who use farming practices/drugs outlawed in the UK.
 
Jono8 said:
The badgers were killed for a good reason. To stop the spread of TB. The dogs were killed for no reason whatsoever. That is the difference.
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Whilst I understand and agree with the point you're trying to make your example is wrong. Culling 000's of badgers because 1.5% may contribute to bovine TB amounts to senseless killing IMO.
 
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