Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

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elmarko said:
To be fair,

He never said it wasn't right to be sad about the deaths of a number of dogs - just that it's hypocritical when the individual in question supports other actions which result in the deaths of significantly more animals.
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Well, I suppose I did oversimplify.
SkodaMart said:
Strange how I've become hardened to dead animals.

I see them every week in the supermarket.
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I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here
 
OhEsEcks said:
No they're not. That is not to say pigs are stupid. They're not. But a border collie makes them look retarded. Babe was not a documentary.
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Ah yes the Border Collie.

Einstein of the animal kingdom.

Personally I think terriers are more intelligent, Jack Russell's in particular.

They think for themselves.

Pigs are intelligent.

There is no quantitative test to check which animal is brightest.
 
OhEsEcks said:
There is no quantitative test to check which animal is brightest.

Ergo African Grey and Pig are equal in cognitive function.
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That argument reminds me of a similar one. Ah yes 'No one has been down far enough below the Earth's surface to confirm Hell isn't real, ergo Hell exists' :D
 
TheBDog said:
implying you have to be an animal cognition specialist to comment on animal intelligence.
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Not at all. If someone wants to tell me that one animal is smarter than another they are welcome to. If, however, they want me to pay any attention at all they would need to have some expertise in animal cognition.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Not at all. If someone wants to tell me that one animal is smarter than another they are welcome to. If, however, they want me to pay any attention at all they would need to have some expertise in animal cognition.
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Clearly getting you to pay attention isn't high on their priorities list.

Couldn't imagine why
 
SkodaMart said:
I wish that those people had been as upset about the child sex trafficking in Rotherham or the Police and authority cover up.

Shaun Wright should be lynched yet people are baying for this delinquents blood instead.

The worlds gone mad.
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Why should anyone be upset about that? It's a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on else where in the world. Is that not what you are eluding to in your OP? Compared to the bigger picture this "news" in Rotherham is an non event. Much like the death of 43 dogs vs 7000 badgers.
 
The general public are odd when it comes to animal welfare. They are clearly biased for no logic reason, and it does suck. A lot can be blamed on laws, education and the removal of the public from the food chain.
Cute animal syndrome is very illogical and unfortunately very widespread.
People say they hate animal cruelty but then buy the cheapest chicken they can. It's not even hard to source decent meat in this day and age.
 
Fulax said:
What does that 99% involve? Feeding them? Giving them open spaces to roam in? Treating their illnesses? Protecting them from predators? Generally taking care of them? To use a bogus analogy: it is morally wrong to own slaves, but it is not therefore morally wrong to feed them.

As I said above, unless you can make the case that animals are moral agents, it is not necessarily morally wrong to kill them. Until you can actually provide such a moral philosophy you're essentially saying 'I personally don't like the killing of animals for food, so neither should anyone else.' And then you proceed to judge the progress of society based on the degree to which it conforms to you own opinions. Great.
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They may not be moral agents but the same can be said about newborns yet our moral code protects them does it not? In fact, these animals are quite similar to young children - they can express emotions, they are subsceptible to stress, they have limited abilities to communicate etc. I haven't judged the progress of society, I've merely observed a historical trend which I believe will continue. We've already taken steps to protect animals with animal cruelty laws and regulations, it's only a matter of time until some animals are granted personhood.

From an abstract universal perspective it may be hypocritical to care about dogs being killed but not badgers, but no one is expressing an abstract universal perspective. They are expressing their own.
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It would be better if people made an effort to shape their views in such a way that they cover a wider perspective. We live in a big, interconnected world afterall, not in isolated boxes.. or islands.

For the same reason, I would be more upset at the death of one person I know than of a hundred people I don't know. Yes, that one death is trivial compared to the hundred considered in the abstract. But that one life meant more to me than the hundred I did not know.
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The act of killing a person you know is imoral but killing a stranger, not so much. That's an odd, dare I say dangerous, moral compass or you need to work on your analogy.
 
SkodaMart said:
No I'm not.

I'm vegetarian.

I try to eat locally produced organic dairy products - dairy farming is actually worse that meat farming in many instances, and I must admit, I don't feel great about it.

My children eat meat, the choice is their own.
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Don't bother lecturing other people when your own lifestyle is harming animals just as much as someone who eats meat.
 
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