Why are we letting convicted murders in to the country?

OldCoals said:
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You expressed no concern for the girl, and your concern for her family was only to the extent of what they would think if their daughter had been killed by a murderous immigrant, specifically (presumably, you think they would feel better about it if it were a home-grown nutjob).

My point, really, was that your reason for posting had nothing to do with your care for the girl's welfare and that the theme of the thread was unrelated to that and more a jumping off point about whether or not we need to close our borders to either foreign murderers, foreign criminals, or just foreigners in general.

And that's fine - it's just jh30uk doesn't seem to be happy with that line of debate, which is why I had to clarify the purpose of the thread to him/her.
 
Did not need to clarify anyone on my behalf, your second sentence was the conker.

Just as criminals all went to Costa Del Crime does not make it ok for them to come here to murder.
 
Police searching for 14-year-old Alice Gross are treating a 41-year-old man with a murder conviction as a suspect in her disappearance.


Mr Zalkalns served seven years in prison for murder in Latvia, after being convicted in 1998.

Police say he was arrested in London in 2009 for indecently assaulting a 14-year-old girl, but no further action was taken.



All the above is what you call nothing! :confused:
 
ZXSpectrum said:
Well not really as each of the states in the US do not have controlled borders like each of the countries in the EU have.
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EU has open borders for EU citizens. Like USA's states. Drive across the continent, and you just carry on from one country to the next.

Entry points coming from outside the EU are controlled, like in the USA.

It's not a perfect comparison, of course, but it is similar.
 
cheesyboy said:
Letting criminals' actions set major policy for everyone else seems a bit silly, no? Freedom of labour movement is quite a big deal.


And the subject of the thread is?

The girl is incidental to the point OP wishes to make. Blame him for cheapening her situation to make a political statement.
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jh30uk said:
omnomnom said:
Jesus Christ this thread is a car crash. This guy hasn't been found guilty of anything, calm down until he has.


Mr Zalkalns served seven years in prison for murder in Latvia, after being convicted in 1998.

Police say he was arrested in London in 2009 for indecently assaulting a 14-year-old girl, but no further action was taken
All the above is what you call nothing! :confused:
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I'm talking about the missing girl and people acting like he's already done it.
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That is not what you said or way it came out.

"Jesus Christ this thread is a car crash. This guy hasn't been found guilty of anything, calm down until he has."
 
UK is not part of Schengen agreement, which means UK Border Agency remains in sole control over national borders and crossings as well as checking for criminal records or verifying interpol lists prior to allowing entry (UKBA actually has obligation to do so for the entire EU area as someone landing in UK could then enter mainland Europe without any other checks other than those performed by UKBA). So regardless of whether person entering was from EU or not, allowing convicted criminals to enter and settle lies solely with Border Agency.
 
jh30uk said:
That is not what you said or way it came out.

"Jesus Christ this thread is a car crash. This guy hasn't been found guilty of anything, calm down until he has."
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"see op's post in quotes"

Right at the top mate, in reference for that....you know like the whole thread has been.
 
jh30uk said:
That is not what you said or way it came out.

"(profanity removed) this thread is a car crash. This guy hasn't been found guilty of anything, calm down until he has."
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I think the fact that a convicted murderer has been allowed to emigrate to this country should concern everyone. If it turns out he's actually murdered someone in this country, well that just makes it much, much worse - that poor girl would still be alive if it wasn't for our ultra-liberal immigration policies.
 
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omnomnom said:
"see op's post in quotes"

Right at the top mate, in reference for that....you know like the whole thread has been.
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Has nothing to do with his quote, you said the guy is guilty of nothing and he is guilty of at least 2 serious charges, 1 of which a sex crime to a minor. ;)

If that was you and you wanted a holiday to USA, tough tittie you would be going to Butlins here instead as you would not get in.
 
Lack of evidence no doubt or witnesses or the girl did not want to go to court and face him.

He is still a murderer.

Goods to see the PC/HR brigade in here fighting for criminals.
 
cheesyboy said:
EU has open borders for EU citizens. Like USA's states. Drive across the continent, and you just carry on from one country to the next.

Entry points coming from outside the EU are controlled, like in the USA.

It's not a perfect comparison, of course, but it is similar.
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v0n said:
UK is not part of Schengen agreement, which means UK Border Agency remains in sole control over national borders and crossings as well as checking for criminal records or verifying interpol lists prior to allowing entry (UKBA actually has obligation to do so for the entire EU area as someone landing in UK could then enter mainland Europe without any other checks other than those performed by UKBA). So regardless of whether person entering was from EU or not, allowing convicted criminals to enter and settle lies solely with Border Agency.
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I think this highlights how much misinformation there is about the EU and how it always ends up as a scapegoat for the UK's issues.
 
jh30uk said:
Lack of evidence no doubt or witnesses or the girl did not want to go to court and face him.

He is still a murderer.

Goods to see the PC/HR brigade in here fighting for criminals.
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Or evidence came to light which suggested he wasn't the suspect? You know that's an option too?
 
EU is a bad experiment same as the currency called Euro.

They are to blame 9/10 with the HR laws they ram down Britain's throat.

He still is a murderer so should not be allowed in, wonder if your daughters (all naysayers here) swore he did it what would you think then.
 
jh30uk said:
EU is a bad experiment same as the currency called Euro.

They are to blame 9/10 with the HR laws they ram down Britain's throat.
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Yeah goddamn the EU and its meddling and all those laws they ram down Britains throat, such as employees rights such as working hours, parental leave and guaranteed breaks, fairer regulation (mobile telcos), fairer deregulation (cheaper and more available air flights), goddamn them for the right to be able to work, live, study and retire in any one of its member states, the right to urgent medical healthcare in any one of its member states, to take my pension anywhere without paying further tax on it, the freedom to buy things and bring them back into Britain without paying further export duties, safety standards, a single market, etc.
 
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