AMD teasing new product, is it Radeon or FirePro?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:07

Looking at the last few years of GPU releases.

2002-2003 ATI is doomed due to the cancelation of the 8500XT and Nvidia having the TI4200 and TI4600

2003-2004 Nvidia is doomed since the R300 is first to DX9 and faster than the FX series.

2004-2005 ATI is doomed since the 6000 series Nvidia cards support DX9C and they don't. Nvidia is lower power consumption.

2005-2006 Shifts between ATI is doomed and Nvidia is doomed.

2006-2007 ATI is doomed as the G80 and G92 have better performance and lower power consumption than the HD2000 and HD3000 series

2008-2009 ATI is first doomed since they having nothing to compete with the GT200. Then AMD launches the R700,and now Nvidia is doomed as Nvidia has to price cut huge chips against AMD ones which are smaller

2009 - 2010 Nvidia is doomed since ATI/AMD is first to DX11,has lower power consumption and smaller dies than the GTX400 series. Although soon with the GTX460 series,AMD is doomed.

2010 -2011 AMD is partially doomed since they don't have the fastest card anymore,and Nvidia has better tessellation

Late 2011 to early 2012. AMD is doomed due to the HD7970 and even more doomed with the GTX680.

Late 2012 to middle 2013. AMD is doomed as they have nothing to compete with once the Geforce Titan and GTX780 are released

Late 2013. AMD is still doomed with the R9 290 and R9 290X releases,since Nvidia quickly launched the GTX780TI and the AMD cards have black screens,throttle and run too hot and explode all the time.

Late 2012 to 2013. Nvidia is doomed due to AMD winning console contracts.

Early 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GTX750TI

Late 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GM204.

Potential next doom point - Nvidia releases 20NM GM200/GM210 in small quantities at £1000 and even if AMD has the fastest card in the R9 390X at £500 before then is still doomed.

Uncle Petey · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:12

humbug · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:16

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looking at the last few years of GPU releases.

2002-2003 ATI is doomed due to the cancelation of the 8500XT and Nvidia having the TI4200 and TI4600

2003-2004 Nvidia is doomed since th R300 is first to DX9 and faster than the FX series.

2004-2005 ATI is doomed since the 6000 series Nvidia cards support DX9C and they don't. Nvidia is lower power consumption.

2005-2006 Shifts between ATI is doomed and Nvidia is doomed.

2006-2007 ATI is doomed as the G80 and G92 have better performance and lower power consumption than the HD2000 and HD3000 series

2008-2009 ATI is first doomed since they having nothing to compete with the GT200. Then AMD launches the R700,and now Nvidia is doomed as Nvidia has to price cut huge chips against AMD ones which are smaller

2009 - 2010 Nvidia is doomed since ATI/AMD is first to DX11,has lower power consumption and smaller dies than the GTX400 series. Although soon with the GTX460 series,AMD is doomed.

2010 -2011 AMD is partially doomed since they don't have the fastest card anymore,and Nvidia has better tessellation

Late 2011 to early 2012. AMD is doomed due to the HD7970 and even more doomed with the GTX680.

Late 2012 to middle 2013. AMD is doomed as they have nothing to compete with once the Geforce Titan and GTX780 are released

Late 2013. AMD is still doomed with the R9 290 and R9 290X releases,since Nvidia quickly launched the GTX780TI and the AMD cards have black screems,throttle and run too hot and explode all the time.

Late 2012 to 2013. Nvidia is doomed due to AMD winning console contracts.

Early 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GTX750TI

Late 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GM204.

Yeah i don't think anyone who has been in this game longer than 5 minutes thinks "AMD are Doomed"

GPU technologies develop closer between rivals than some realise.

Most recently Tonga with its Texture compression technology. "oh thats clever" one month later the GTX 970/80 do the same thing....

Its more a case of who is first out of the starting blocks rather than who does it and who doesn't.

For more than a decade GPU's have been pretty much the same between Nvidia and AMD. they are only different between architectural upgrades. Like now. each time some nOOb predicts one or the other is doomed because of it.

old gamer · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:24

If ati could survive the 2900 vs nvidia 8800 then im pretty sure they will get over this

RavenXXX2 · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:37

Wizzard at techpowerup, noob?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:39

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looking at the last few years of GPU releases.

2002-2003 ATI is doomed due to the cancelation of the 8500XT and Nvidia having the TI4200 and TI4600

2003-2004 Nvidia is doomed since the R300 is first to DX9 and faster than the FX series.

2004-2005 ATI is doomed since the 6000 series Nvidia cards support DX9C and they don't. Nvidia is lower power consumption.

2005-2006 Shifts between ATI is doomed and Nvidia is doomed.

2006-2007 ATI is doomed as the G80 and G92 have better performance and lower power consumption than the HD2000 and HD3000 series

2008-2009 ATI is first doomed since they having nothing to compete with the GT200. Then AMD launches the R700,and now Nvidia is doomed as Nvidia has to price cut huge chips against AMD ones which are smaller

2009 - 2010 Nvidia is doomed since ATI/AMD is first to DX11,has lower power consumption and smaller dies than the GTX400 series. Although soon with the GTX460 series,AMD is doomed.

2010 -2011 AMD is partially doomed since they don't have the fastest card anymore,and Nvidia has better tessellation

Late 2011 to early 2012. AMD is doomed due to the HD7970 and even more doomed with the GTX680.

Late 2012 to middle 2013. AMD is doomed as they have nothing to compete with once the Geforce Titan and GTX780 are released

Late 2013. AMD is still doomed with the R9 290 and R9 290X releases,since Nvidia quickly launched the GTX780TI and the AMD cards have black screens,throttle and run too hot and explode all the time.

Late 2012 to 2013. Nvidia is doomed due to AMD winning console contracts.

Early 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GTX750TI

Late 2014. AMD is doomed due to the GM204.

Potential next doom point - Nvidia releases 20NM GM200/GM210 in small quantities at £1000 and even if AMD has the fastest card in the R9 390X at £500 before then is still doomed.

RavenXXX2 said:
Wizzard at techpowerup, noob?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html

humbug · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:41

RavenXXX2 said:
Wizzard at techpowerup, noob?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html

I think a lot of reviewers behave like noobs if they aren't noobs judging by some of the crap they come up with or the way they conduct their benchmarks.

At the end of the day their primary objective it to generate revenue, which they do in many different ways.
But thats a discussion for a different time and thread.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:45

I believe when the GTX680 was released some well known review sites said AMD was doomed. Yet obviously they cannot be that doomed if Sony and MS just spent billions on new consoles using AMD tech.

Just like when the internets said Nv was screwed with the FX launch. People have conviniently short memories.

Intel was buggered with the P4 and Itanium and might go bankrupt eventually.

I believe someone at Merill Lynch said AMD would be soon be bankrupt in 1989. Still not happened although especially on US forums it seems much worse regarding all the sky is falling.

Apple will go bankrupt.

Pentax will go bankrupt.

And so on.

As usual the internet is full of doomsayers.

Its more likely the doomsayers will cause the doom through some kind of Osbourne Effect(company is going bankrupt so don't buy their products).

Mal X · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:54

RavenXXX2 said:
Wizzard at techpowerup, noob?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/31.html

i like the last comet ``oh and AMD looks *****``

GoogalyMoogaly · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:55

One day they'll be right and then they'll tell you that they told you so!

You wait, one day it'll happen and then I'll remind you that I told you so!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:57

GoogalyMoogaly said:
One day they'll be right and then they'll tell you that they told you so!

You wait, one day it'll happen and then I'll remind you that I told you so!

The world is going to end!!

You heard it first here!!

Nostra-Moose knows all!!

wazza300 · 21 Sep 2014 at 18:58

worlds gonna end till 25th of sept when amd release their magic

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:02

wazza300 said:
worlds gonna end till 25th of sept when amd release their magic

Don't worry Nvidia will send their fairy godmothers to hex that evil AMD magic,and bring balance to the NVForce.

Mal X · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:03

AMD only have to announce the 390X next week............ as being faster than the GTX 980 and that'll be Nvidia ******, so it's swings and roundabouts.

will this happen ? yes i expect so because their spies would have known weeks ago how good the 970/980 would be.

dont forget that the 390X already has that Watercooled cover and according to the rumours i read last night, is miles more powerful than the 290X, it's supposed to be close to the 295X2 :eek:

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:10

I heard if the R9 390X is switched on,it will draw so much power and produce so much heat it will cause instantaneous combustion of the Earth due to the pact with Diablo himself. Its fast but not at the price humanity will have to pay for this monstrosity.

NVforce lead by the galant(and some say mightily handsome Jen-Hsun Huang) will save us from this evil red devil magic by destroying AMD and making sure all good and decent people are free from its corrupting influence.

Silent_Scone · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:13

Mal X said:
AMD only have to announce the 390X next week............ as being faster than the GTX 980 and that'll be Nvidia ******, so it's swings and roundabouts.

will this happen ? yes i expect so because their spies would have known weeks ago how good the 970/980 would be.

dont forget that the 390X already has that Watercooled cover and according to the rumours i read last night, is miles more powerful than the 290X, it's supposed to be close to the 295X2

Hi, meet Nvidia.

You must be new around here. Nobody knows better than these tech giants not to put all your eggs in one basket.

pandem0nium · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:16

I think AMD are bound by the GCN architecture of their gpus at the moment in order to stay compatible with mantle. Whereas Nvidea can do whatever they like generation to generation.

Just might have shot themselves in the foot with the whole thing.

MOOGLEYS · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:18

We have the same posts every time a new GPU comes along.

Martini1991 · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:18

Mal X said:
AMD only have to announce the 390X next week............ as being faster than the GTX 980 and that'll be Nvidia ******, so it's swings and roundabouts.

will this happen ? yes i expect so because their spies would have known weeks ago how good the 970/980 would be.

dont forget that the 390X already has that Watercooled cover and according to the rumours i read last night, is miles more powerful than the 290X, it's supposed to be close to the 295X2

The 390X isn't getting anywhere near the 295X.

Is this the first time we've had 3 "proper" generations on the same fab? Can't help but feel we've stagnated massively given the vast increase in GPU power demand with 4K etc.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Sep 2014 at 19:18

pandem0nium said:
I think AMD are bound by the GCN architecture of their gpus at the moment in order to stay compatible with mantle. Whereas Nvidea can do whatever they like generation to generation.

Just might have shot themselves in the foot with the whole thing.

Except Kepler was refined Fermi and Maxwell is refined Kepler.

The last big change for NV actually was the GT200 to Fermi jump. After that it was refinements.

Interestingly TH did the most precise power measurements of Maxwell to date(they have the most advanced system of all the English language websites and measure dynamic power consumption),and its worth reading their take on it all:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,review-33038-14.html

Thinking back to the maximum versus average power consumption findings for gaming, one fact becomes abundantly clear: AMD’s issue is not absolute performance or the efficiency of its architecture, but rather that PowerTune technology can’t adjust the power consumption quickly or finely enough depending on the actual load. This is exactly where Nvidia scores most of its points with Maxwell.But even Nvidia can’t change the laws of physics. The new cards’ power consumption during compute-based testing demonstrates this fact very clearly.