Unhappy in job, blocked internal vacancy

Seriously, work one deadline at a time and be sure to hit that deadline. If other deadlines are not met and they keep piling up so what. It will then get raised higher and higher until someone actually takes notice. Also go above your managers head, don't be scared knock on a directors door if need be. Ensure your meetings with your manager are just you and them and just let loose on him/her. Any comeback and just deny it all :)

Do not make yourself ill over this. You go off sick they get someone else in to do your job and within 4 weeks your forgotten. No loyalty to who you work for, number 1 moto of the modern UK workplace. (in general)
 
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Seriously, work one deadline at a time and be sure to hit that deadline. If other deadlines are not met and they keep piling up so what. It will then get raised higher and higher until someone actually takes notice. Also go above your managers head, don't be scared knock on a directors door if need be. Ensure your meetings with your manager are just you and them and just let loose on him/her. Any comeback and just deny it all :)

Do not make yourself ill over this. You go off sick they get someone else in to do your job and within 4 weeks your forgotten. No loyalty to who you work for, number 1 moto of the modern UK workplace. (in general)
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He has asked me 'how are things and do you require assistance' once in 5 weeks, not that a helper for a single day really makes any difference.
The only sitdowns we have had were to tell me why I cannot leave this business unit and for my back to work interview. I took my concern to the MD, as all I want is a date for my new job but was given a string of excuses.

I had a few days off and said I had a virus and dismissed that I was off because of how I felt. Even as I type this I am still signed off sick, but I never used the sick note.
A colleague has told me how the manager was inferring I cannot cope during my absence (I can with my work, just not the other person's. We barely coped even then as there used to be three of us) yet when a fellow employee said 'I bet OpenToSuggestions is at an interview' he got all flustered saying it was not his fault he cannot replace me. Makes me feel somewhat wanted I suppose.
I have been doing less tasks since my return and making sure I do them really well, whilst calmly and confidently telling me people I cannot perform responsibilities XYZ because I am one person.
Nobody knows I was off with stress, nor will they ever.

I got very close in the new job I had an interview for. I did not get it as the other bloke was cheaper. This annoyed me as the money is something you should discuss after the right candidate was found imo.
However, I have applied for 3 jobs recently. I got the first and the other two I was 2nd, so I know I am doing the right things.

I have a week of holiday coming up. I have a first interview with a different company Monday.
I still hate my job because of the string-along nature and lack of support, but my head is being held high and I am looking ahead.

Just keep swimming:
 
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OpenToSuggestions said:
I did not get it as the other bloke was cheaper. This annoyed me as the money is something you should discuss after the right candidate was found imo
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Ir's not that simple though. Any recruiter worth their salt will try to elicit a ballpark desired salary from candidates so they know if they fit into the proposed pay scale for the position. Otherwise they could waste lots of time and effort on a recruitment process, only to be turned down because the preferred candidates won't accept the package offered. Also maybe there was nothing to choose between you and the other candidates, thus it makes sense to pick the cheaper option.
 
Nix said:
You got the first?

Why didn't you take it?
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Perhaps I was not being clear.

The first job is internal to the company, but actually at a completely different business a car journey away. I am blocked (hence the thread).
The two different external jobs I did not get.

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Ir's not that simple though. Any recruiter worth their salt will try to elicit a ballpark desired salary from candidates so they know if they fit into the proposed pay scale for the position. Otherwise they could waste lots of time and effort on a recruitment process, only to be turned down because the preferred candidates won't accept the package offered. Also maybe there was nothing to choose between you and the other candidates, thus it makes sense to pick the cheaper option.
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I agree with what you are saying, but the job was advertised at 30k-32k and all along I said I needed a touch more than that to cover the 60 mins commute cost and the prospective company knew that from day one.
The other bloke (according to the agency who only represented me) he came in at 28k, which is pretty much what I get now for a 1/3 length commute.
Perhaps he undersold himself, but then for all I know he was out of work or lived a 2 minute walk away! I would rather have been offered the role then discuss pay after that as I would not want to lose a job over salary again, but then who knows what the real reason was.

I am perusing other avenues of employment this coming week :),
 
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Could be an easier sell to the top brass, they can just hire the £28k guy as the budget has already been agreed, whereas you want more than the max budget which may possibly break a pay structure they have in place and they can't justify it as it is at least 15% more than the other person. They already know you have issues with the commute so will be questioning how long you are likely to stick around with a long commute and probably no scope for significant pay rises.

Agency may not know the full reasons anyway
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
Perhaps I was not being clear.

The first job is internal to the company, but actually at a completely different business a car journey away. I am blocked (hence the thread).
The two different external jobs I did not get.
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Makes sense now.

OpenToSuggestions said:
I agree with what you are saying, but the job was advertised at 30k-32k and all along I said I needed a touch more than that to cover the 60 mins commute cost and the prospective company knew that from day one.
The other bloke (according to the agency who only represented me) he came in at 28k, which is pretty much what I get now for a 1/3 length commute.
Perhaps he undersold himself, but then for all I know he was out of work or lived a 2 minute walk away! I would rather have been offered the role then discuss pay after that as I would not want to lose a job over salary again, but then who knows what the real reason was.

I am perusing other avenues of employment this coming week :),
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Just to play devil's advocate, did you really need it (as in, you can't afford to pay the bills), or is simply a case of having a higher number as your PA?

If it's the latter, you should honestly stop splitting hairs over pay if it means you get out of your current poisonous environment. Take the hit.
 
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If it's the latter, you should honestly stop splitting hairs over pay if it means you get out of your current poisonous environment. Take the hit.
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I am quite undervalued in my current role, but yes I would take the same money elsewhere, even though elsewhere would almost certainly involve more travelling.
As I have only really pursued 3 jobs, coming 1-2-2 I know I am pitching myself correctly. I feel if I continue doing what I am doing then I will get an offer at some point.
My current aim is to move to something that with travel would make me the same off as I am now.
The job I lost due to pay was changing from a 18 miles per day commute to 80, which with a mortgage I could not otherwise do for the same money. It would have been a daft move imo.
I think you have worded your post well and it has really made me think. I am 100% not moving for a pay bump. I also think the term poisonous environment is quite a fitting description. I am seeking happiness in life, not riches.
Forgive me, what is PA?
 
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Per annum.

My point being, you're approaching the market from a position of weakness at the moment as your job is harming you. Take whatever is reasonable even if that means a pay-cut, don't put needless barriers in your way. Providing you can pay your bills and have something left over, you can afford it.

If it's any consolation, I'm currently off work with stress too.
 
Nix said:
Per annum.

My point being, you're approaching the market from a position of weakness at the moment as your job is harming you. Take whatever is reasonable even if that means a pay-cut, don't put needless barriers in your way. Providing you can pay your bills and have something left over, you can afford it.

If it's any consolation, I'm currently off work with stress too.
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I was off with a virus remember :p.
I have taken your point on board and will see how things go at the next interview.

On a side note, aren't most people looking for work in the position of weakness? I suppose you would only look for a new job if your current employer was not meeting your development/personal/financial needs?
I have come across very few who just fancy a change.
 
If you're looking at pushing for a higher salary in the high 20s to low 30s, I'd very much suggest that you're not in a position of weakness other than that you're desperate to leave your current employment.

You're getting interviews and into the final stages for well-paid jobs. Your situation isn't as bleak as you seem to think it is. Just get out.
 
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If you're looking at pushing for a higher salary in the high 20s to low 30s, I'd very much suggest that you're not in a position of weakness other than that you're desperate to leave your current employment.

You're getting interviews and into the final stages for well-paid jobs. Your situation isn't as bleak as you seem to think it is. Just get out.
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On paper my life looks good, just in my head I worry a lot.
A company that gives something back and supports me will allow me to really go a long way imo. I am responsible for a lot yet I am only 26 :).

I am getting out, just working on the 'how'.
Thanks for your posts and I will keep the thread updated over the coming weeks.
 
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On a side note, aren't most people looking for work in the position of weakness? I suppose you would only look for a new job if your current employer was not meeting your development/personal/financial needs?
I have come across very few who just fancy a change.
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On the flipside one could argue that the employer is in a position of weakness because their current employees aren't meeting their needs...
 
Hi all.
I have had feedback from the agency who lined up the last interview for me.
The company was impressed and offered me the job!

Flexi hours and good flexi hols (stat + 25 days). I currently have 0 seconds of my year flexi.
The basic salary is a little under what I wanted due to the travel but I am the same 'well off' each month after deducting travel.
Plus I get overtime at single rate. This means when required I will put in extra hours but at least I get some form of compensation for it.

I am on holiday from my current job this week and will hand in my notice Monday. It may force the hand with the internal new job (may as well be external - Different factory!) but I will almost certainly leave anyway.

Thanks for all the help everyone! Onwards and upwards etc.
 
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Congratulations, remember to be professional when handing in your notice and your reasons for leaving, i.e.

Dont tell them they are all carp and aren't worthy to lick your boot.

be more

"The opportunity gives me experience in different field/area which you weren't willing to entertain even though I expressed interest in an internal move"

But I'm sure you already know what you want to say :) just remember not to burn bridges as it's a small world.

KaHn
 
Congrats, It's always nice to read through an entire thread which actually has an update at the end :D

I've left several jobs like this and handing in your notice knowing you've left them in the **** is the best feeling ever, especially when they finally decide to try and keep you. I don't think they realise once you've reached that point you wont be changing your mind.

MW
 
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