Ebola outbreak: Guinea health team killed

Haggisman said:
I would agree with this...

...If there was a practical way to effectively quarantine the outbreak areas and leave them to sort it out themselves.

However unfortunately there isn't so we're forced to try and help the ignorant **** to prevent them spreading it :(
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sure there is, ban travel and set the navy/air force on patrol.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Perhaps they should be educated, then. Do you give up on people just like that? The lives of the villagers aren't more important, but there are a lot of them who deserve to live as much as ANYONE else does.
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how do you educate them when the team who went there to EDUCATE them was murdered?

they were trying to educate them.
 
Dis86 said:
Odd you mention that. When I was at uni I designed a solar oven made out of cheap common materials in order to deploy in Africa, South America and parts of Asia to discourage use of wood in cooking and to help purify water. I was tasked to design it for a well known charity who would supply it. They did and found exactly the same thing, people just stole the bits, sold them or used them for something else.
They abandoned the follow up project with me which was a solar powered Stirling engine I'd proposed so I went ahead and used it for my final project!
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same thing happens with all those water pumps.

we have a massive appeal charities tell us how awesome it all will be lots of pumps get built 6 months later the pumps are broken or stolen and the stuff to repair them got sold off too.
 
I don't think there exists a solution for the tribal, supertitious society of Sub-Saharan African in the foreseeable future. The people who live in the Middle East/North Africa are ahead of them in terms of development, mentality etc. and they're nowhere near the point where one can say they have a stable, progressive society. In a hundred, possibly two hundred years, they will likely change. Until then, they'll continue to kill each other and their wildlife, spread disease among each other and destroy their environment, with or without the West's interventions/help.
 
Zethor said:
I don't think there exists a solution for the tribal, supertitious society of Sub-Saharan African in the foreseeable future. The people who live in the Middle East/North Africa are ahead of them in terms of development, mentality etc. and they're nowhere near the point where one can say they have a stable, progressive society. In a hundred, possibly two hundred years, they will likely change. Until then, they'll continue to kill each other and their wildlife, spread disease among each other and destroy their environment, with or without the West's interventions/help.
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You know those vast stocks of highly effective and low persistence nerve agents everyone got but keeps being told they should get rid of?

....two bird and all that.
 
Tefal said:
You know those vast stocks of highly effective and low persistence nerve agents everyone got but keeps being told they should get rid of?

....two bird and all that.
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I think nerve gas would be put to better use (in nonleathal doses) against people who casually talk about genocide, but that's just me... Having a backward society doesn't mean they deserve to be wiped out. It took the West hundreds of years to get out of the Dark Ages, Europe used to be a much more barbaric place than Africa, not too long ago. Who are you to judge them or anyone else for that matter? My point was that we should not be surprised by what's happening there, it is what it is and the people who tried to help them knew the risks.
 
Zethor said:
I think nerve gas would be put to better use (in nonleathal doses) against people who casually talk about genocide, but that's just me... Having a backward society doesn't mean they deserve to be wiped out. It took the West hundreds of years to get out of the Dark Ages, Europe used to be a much more barbaric place than Africa, not too long ago. Who are you to judge them or anyone else for that matter?.
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you say that as if the people in Africa developed after the people in the west rather then before. also I'm not sure Europe at any point was worse than Africa today they certainly have far more massacres than Europe did.


My point was that we should not be surprised by what's happening there, it is what it is and the people who tried to help them knew the risks
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why shouldn't we be surprised? please explain to me why you feel murdering people who are attempting to educate you on the dangers of a local disease so you can protect yourself and your family is a non surprising course of action.

Having a backward society doesn't mean they deserve to be wiped out
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what about when your backwardness threatens the rest of the world?
 
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atpbx said:
You can't help people who won't help themselves .

In the cases here it's just the ignorance of the people in question, they simply don't understand the value of what you were doing for them. You could build such things to be indestructible and come back two weeks later and find it's being used as a chicken coop.
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What was interesting was the South Americans generally kept the stuff intact and used it for its purpose.

The stuff we sent to Bangladesh was generally just nicked by certain groups who hoarded it all to the deprivation of others unless it ended up in an isolated village where they really appreciated it. The ovens were mostly used there for water purification after the floods.

The stuff we sent to African countries was just trashed completely or disappeared.

Wouldn't care, was quite proud of the work I did. Came up with a design which folded flat to a thickness of about an inch and used only easily available metal sheets, corrugated plastic and plastic sheeting. Was dirt cheap to make and more importantly very easy to transport and so could be air dropped during the floods.
 
"I was surprised to hear how few doctors these countries actually have, liberia has 51 doctors and Somalia only 11"

Roughly 9000 African trained doctors in the UK they do of course get paid more here.
About 4000 of those trained in Nigeria.

To put that in perspective Nigeria has a population of 124 million and has 23000 doctors.

For some the argument is that it is partially our fault they have so few doctors as of course we actively recruit them because they are cheaper than training new doctors ourselves.

It is worth noting this does not just happen with doctors.
 
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