Derren Brown lately

The guy is chosen with the Frisbee I think. Then asked to write down a random 10 digit number. But as we both know he could have written nothing at all or used misdirection to produce the required number when called upon. Derren doesn't touch the paper at all and i'm pretty sure the guy calls out the number to him from the audience.

He wasn't blindfolded no.

There are no methods out there to take a random 8 digit number, a random 10 digit number, add them together to produce a very specific number. It's just not possible. The only method is if the 10 digit number is specific as well, i.e chosen by a stooge. You can't really dispute this surely?

(or as i said before, 8 digit number is random, 10 digit number is random and the lady with the phone is a stooge and agrees to whatever number it is. But apparently people in the audience called it and it was real, so has to be the 10 digit guy)
 
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With the phone number finale,
My friend ended up being the girl who's number it was in one of the shows.
It was her number and she doesn't have a clue how he did it (But she should know least of all really)
 
GiraffePencils said:
With the phone number finale,
My friend ended up being the girl who's number it was in one of the shows.
It was her number and she doesn't have a clue how he did it (But she should know least of all really)
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Ah wow, thanks for the info.

That confirms it is 100% the guy choosing the 10 digit number that is the stooge :D
 
Mis-indexed dice for the 8 digit number I would imagine, so certain numbers will not be rolled which in turn forces the 8 digit number, People always check for dice to be loaded,

I would not be surprised if there were instructions written on the pad for the guy telling him which number to choose, yes its bold but would you not do as you were told in front of a large audience?

Instant stooge not a pre-selected one :) Using a dual reality method to achieve the goal.
 
GiraffePencils said:
With the phone number finale,
My friend ended up being the girl who's number it was in one of the shows.
It was her number and she doesn't have a clue how he did it (But she should know least of all really)
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Was just going to post something similar - we were at the Leeds Grand 3 days before the one that was recorded for TV, and we knew the girl who's phone was picked - she was quite shaken by the whole routine :)

Great entertainment - worked out a lot of it, but there's a few "mysteries" left.
 
Ste59w said:
Ah wow, thanks for the info.

That confirms it is 100% the guy choosing the 10 digit number that is the stooge :D
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Or, as derren is very good at mental maths (I'm talking countdown good people ;) )
he takes the 8 digits from the dice, and the ten digits, and quickly works out the ********** maths to get to the phone number he found out earlier when she wrote it down?
 
GiraffePencils said:
With the phone number finale,
My friend ended up being the girl who's number it was in one of the shows.
It was her number and she doesn't have a clue how he did it (But she should know least of all really)
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Actually its easy to get the phone number in the first place, when you book & pay for your tickets you are asked for a contact number which you leave with the theatre box office.

Seat numbers on the tickets the information is endless :)

Cheers
 
roman59 said:
Mis-indexed dice for the 8 digit number I would imagine, so certain numbers will not be rolled which in turn forces the 8 digit number, People always check for dice to be loaded,

I would not be surprised if there were instructions written on the pad for the guy telling him which number to choose, yes its bold but would you not do as you were told in front of a large audience?

Instant stooge not a pre-selected one :) Using a dual reality method to achieve the goal.
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Haha I think you've got some nice ideas but I don't agree with anything you say here.

The 8 digit number could be done that way, but it doesn't have to be specific at that stage in the trick, so why bother with all that. I'd say that was most certainly fair and random.

Having instructions on the paper? Again, possible but he'd have to know the 8 digit number before hand, which again is unnecessary so why bother. Then there's the risk that the person would not follow the instructions and thus spoiling the grand finale - would Derren take that risk for the trick that closes the show? I think not.

As I said before the simplest solution is often the right one.

The solution that involves no risk whatsoever is having a stooge that's good at maths that can see the 8 digit number on stage via the projector and then work out what 10 digit number he needs to read out to match the phone number, which would have been acquired before the show began. No offense but i'm pretty much 100% sure i'm right here ;)
 
GiraffePencils said:
Or, as derren is very good at mental maths (I'm talking countdown good people ;) )
he takes the 8 digits from the dice, and the ten digits, and quickly works out the ********** maths to get to the phone number he found out earlier when she wrote it down?
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He is indeed very good at maths, countdown level doesn't come close to his skills haha.

But maths is based on fact and one fact is that you can't take 2 random numbers, add them together to produce a pre-determined specific number. You only get the answer. And the chances of adding 2 random numbers together to produce a specific audience members phone number is in the statistical realm of impossibility ;)
 
Ste59w said:
The solution that involves no risk whatsoever is having a stooge that's good at maths that can see the 8 digit number on stage via the projector and then work out what 10 digit number he needs to read out to match the phone number, which would have been acquired before the show began. No offense but i'm pretty much 100% sure i'm right here ;)
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Well that's sort of what I said Above^
but without the stooge.

We'd need to know what happened at every live show he performed this, if he always just adds then your right.
if he changes up the maths I'd go with I'm right.

Does he ALWAYS just add them?
or did that live show just happen to come up well.
they're not random numbers aswell, dice are only 1-6, so the 8 digit can't have nearly half of digits
 
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That's the beauty & desired effect of magic it gets people thinking.

When I am out performing and people ask how its done my answer is "very well"

Cheers all
 
GiraffePencils said:
Well that's sort of what I said Above^
but without the stooge.

We'd need to know what happened at every live show he performed this, if he always just adds then your right.
if he changes up the maths I'd go with I'm right.
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haha really?

I'm pretty certain he'll add them every time. But taking 2 random numbers and using maths to produce someone's phone number would require other numbers as well.

You can't just take 1234567891 and 12345678 and either multiply, divide, subtract or add to make a specific person's phone number.....come on mate.

You'd need to do all sorts of calculations.
 
roman59 said:
That's the beauty & desired effect of magic it gets people thinking.

When I am out performing and people ask how its done my answer is "very well"

Cheers all
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Agree 100%

But just to be clear are you in agreement with my assessment of how the trick is done now? ;)
 
I've not seen the show, but out of interest, what sort of gap is there between the dice being rolled, and the guy picking the 10 digit number?

If the dice are rolled at the start of the show and the 10 digit number is picked at the end, then I guess it could be possible for Derren to influence the number given, as he is very good at planting subconscious influences. (Or appears to be from many of his shows I've seen).

Of course if the numbers are picked within a few minutes of each other, then this isn't really a possibility.
 
Haggisman said:
I've not seen the show, but out of interest, what sort of gap is there between the dice being rolled, and the guy picking the 10 digit number?

If the dice are rolled at the start of the show and the 10 digit number is picked at the end, then I guess it could be possible for Derren to influence the number given, as he is very good at planting subconscious influences. (Or appears to be from many of his shows I've seen).

Of course if the numbers are picked within a few minutes of each other, then this isn't really a possibility.
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Derren's very good at influencing people, but to influence a guy sat in the audience to pick a very specific 10 digit number is pretty much impossible. Don't get me wrong he can influence people to pick words/numbers he wants, but that would involve him being up close and personal, going letter by letter or number by number and if you've watched his stuff before you'll notice the words/numbers are all pretty small. Usually around 4 digits long.

Any longer and the person he's influencing will realize they arn't choosing random numbers and letters.
 
Ste59w said:
haha really?

I'm pretty certain he'll add them every time. But taking 2 random numbers and using maths to produce someone's phone number would require other numbers as well.

You can't just take 1234567891 and 12345678 and either multiply, divide, subtract or add to make a specific person's phone number.....come on mate.

You'd need to do all sorts of calculations.
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*sigh*
Like I said, one of the numbers, if constructed by dice, would only have 1-6.
And you could do all sorts of things, split them to groups of 2 digits and add them together, take away groups, add/divide.
you're not trying to take it in it's entirety and make another number.

It's like one of a million number games when you have people pick a random number, multiple it by their birthday tell you and though a couple simple steps you guess their birthday MAGIC.

IF he always adds them, then there in a stooge/a fix somewhere
 
GiraffePencils said:
*sigh*
Like I said, one of the numbers, if constructed by dice, would only have 1-6.
And you could do all sorts of things, split them to groups of 2 digits and add them together, take away groups, add/divide.
you're not trying to take it in it's entirety and make another number.

It's like one of a million number games when you have people pick a random number, multiple it by their birthday tell you and though a couple simple steps you guess their birthday MAGIC.

IF he always adds them, then there in a stooge/a fix somewhere
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You must be confused how the trick is performed?

What you say is correct, you could potentially manipulate 2 random numbers using maths to produce a specific number if you broke down those 2 random numbers into single digits. Sometimes though this is simply not possible.

Derren treats the numbers as 2 whole numbers, he doesn't break them down at all. If he did then it would simply be a show of his maths skills, which is not the desired effect ;) - although i'd certainly be impressed if he did that haha
 
I'll admit I've not seen the trick performed, I'm only going from what I've been told by my friend and this thread.
How does he take an 8 digit number from dice (that has to begin with 1-6)
add it to a 10 digit 'random number (which would have to begin 1-9)
and add those 2 to an 11 digit number beginning with 0? (mobiles 07.... )
does he add the 0 at the end so has to make a 10 digit number?
 
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