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AMD have been given a major wake up call by these GPUs and their efficiency. I hope they aren't just going to continue the trend of pushing more volts through to get improved performance.
 
I feel its an appropriate term to use for everyone raging about the evil nVidia. How dare they release reasonably priced decent performing graphics cards.
 
win8.1 said:
I would agree with you if Nvidia had launched the 970 the same time as the 290 but not 1 year on. If they launch their real top end versions of Maxwell at £300 and £400 if they cannot produce them now that would be one thing but I think they do this so they can milk people twice.
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They can get away with it year after year until AMD brings to the table a 980Ti capable card prior to a launch of Nvidia's 980 cards at cheaper pricing.

Then anyone would be stupid to buy Nvidia's mid range 980 cards then, and Nvidia will well and truely bummed by AMD.

That's when it's win win win for either customers of Nvidia or AMD because it's cheap cards all round.
 
old gamer said:
I cant see the problem with the bus size, benchmarks show the 970 perfoms very well, even a raging amd fanboy like myself can see it, im also sure nvidia have some wiggle room on the price.
Im afraid its just wait it out and see what amd come up with and shake the market up a bit
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If Nvidia gonna sensibly price the 20nm fat Maxwell (NOT Titan 2) like how they reasonably price the 970, I might get one for a new build as well. However I think the chances of that happening is next to none...
 
Ayahuasca said:
I've never felt shortchanged on any nvidia card I've purchased, I know exactly what I'm buying.

Yeah 256bit midrange card that scores in the top 15 air cooled cards in 3dmark Firestrike :rolleyes:

If the bus speed was a problem for the majority of people the cards wouldn't be selling like hot cakes. The only people it affects is 4k users which is a tiny percentage.
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Of course you don't as you are coming from a much slower card but imagine the performance you could have got if Nvidia had not of held back their real top end cards at the same price Amd offered the 290 1 year ago.

I call it midrange as it only offers the same performance as my 290 after a year. It should really be blowing the 290 out of the water on performance as well to be a true next gen high end card.
 
arc@css said:
I couldn't care less about the memory bus, it's the overall performance that counts.
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Exactly. People love to focus on bashing the negative aspects and ignore the positives.

win8.1 said:
I call it midrange as it only offers the same performance as my 290 after a year. It should really be blowing the 290 out of the water on performance as well to be a true next gen high end card.
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No it shouldn't as we are still on the same nm process. You'll only ever see massive jumps in performance for around the same price when 20 or 16nm hits.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but I'd happy to exchange 256-bit bus for 384-bit bus (and higher memory bandwidth) at the cost of slightly higher temp and power-consumption any day.
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I wouldn't as it offers little to no performance improvements at the most played resolutions. These cards were never aimed at 4k gamers.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
No offense, but I'd happy to exchange 256-bit bus for 384-bit bus (and higher memory bandwidth) at the cost of slightly higher temp and power-consumption any day.
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That's you though, and your opinion doesn't represent the whole market. I'll take a great performance, reliable and efficient Nvidia card any day over an over-heating and unreliable "jet engine" AMD card which may have a slightly bigger bus (which only really helps by a very small amount at ultra high resolutions).
 
Nelly said:
They can get away with it year after year until AMD brings to the table a 980Ti capable card prior to a launch of Nvidia's 980 cards at cheaper pricing.

Then anyone would be stupid to buy Nvidia's mid range 980 cards then, and Nvidia will well and truely bummed by AMD.

That's when it's win win win for either customers of Nvidia or AMD because it's cheap cards all round.
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Exactly right. It's unfortunate though that Amd have to be the first ones all the time to offer true high end bang for buck products for a reasonable price while Nvidia for the last two gen's charges far more for their ungimped cards and only the 256bit bus versions are the same price as Amd's high end at launch.
 
I like how OP keeps trying to hammer home the gimped 256bit bus in every post in this thread even though he knows and has been told it doesn't affect 99% of users. Guess what OP your 290 can't cope with 4k very well either with it's higher bus! Here's a bigger one for you.

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win8.1 said:
Exactly right. It's unfortunate though that Amd have to be the first ones all the time to offer true high end bang for buck products for a reasonable price while Nvidia for the last two gen's charges far more for their ungimped cards and only the 256bit bus versions are the same price as Amd's high end at launch.
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I agree so the moral of the story is...

1) Blame Nvidia for launching 980 cards that should be at 970 pricing:

980Ti should really be the 980 at same cost.
980 should really be a 970 at same cost.
970 should really be a 960 at same cost when it's released.

2) Blame AMD for being to slow at releasing new technology cards that are capable of matching a 980Ti equivalent card at 980 pricing.
 
It's probably a combination of the 256bit bus and shortchanging on on shaders, rops that Nvidia's true high end cards will have that mean mid range 970 Maxwell only levels with Amd's year old product in performance.
 
The main reason is profit.
Why put all their eggs in one basket to sell the 989ti for the price of the 980 when you can sell shed loads of the latter before you even an ounce the former.

In an ideal world the 988ti would be sold at the 980 price the 980 would be sold at the 970 price and the 970 would be the 950 with a price to match.

Although I would love to see AMD kick everyone's Nutts with the way they are going now it's not happening. They don't make as much profit on each card as NVIDIA
Do which means less money to spend on R and D
 
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