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AMD Radeon R9 390X Arrives In 1H 2015 – May Feature “Hydra” Liquid Cooling

You're a factory of face palms. the 980 could be £250 and still wipe the floor with the 290x and you'd still come up with some inane criticism

No £250 would be about right with full fat Maxwell coming in at £400 for 980 equivalent and £300 for 970 equivalent.
 
And you miss my point again, who said it was a problem for NV, it clearly is not, im just saying what is happening.
And prices rising is not an opinion its a fact.

And no it isn't fact at all. The 8800 Ultra was launched in 2007 and cost $829 and the cut down version (the 8800GTX) cost a whopping $600. In todays prices, these new 980s and 970s seem cheap in comparison.

So seeing how launches go and what people are happy to pay, this seems to have some relevance to back up my point.

Well well, I am shocked. I can see these have been flying off the shelves from everywhere that gets them. Great release from nVidia :)

Just checked!

Completely thrashed the 8800 GTX launch, making this the biggest launch for us of all time.

Who said PC gaming was dying? Facts are it is growing and fast, certainly for OcUK! :)

It will take a big card and a good price from AMD to have this kind of impact on the market.

390P 30-50% more performance than the 290P at £300 price point.

And if that happens, they are well on the way to doing that.
 
And no it isn't fact at all. The 8800 Ultra was launched in 2007 and cost $829 and the cut down version (the 8800GTX) cost a whopping $600. In todays prices, these new 980s and 970s seem cheap in comparison.

Yes there are examples of inflated prices from NV in the past as well, it changes nothing.
 
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Yes there are examples of inflated prices in the past as well from NV, it changes nothing.

Again, in your opinion. I have proven you wrong on prices rising but you clearly can't accept I am right and just move on. No point carrying this on if you refuse to accept real facts.
 
And no it isn't fact at all. The 8800 Ultra was launched in 2007 and cost $829 and the cut down version (the 8800GTX) cost a whopping $600. In todays prices, these new 980s and 970s seem cheap in comparison.

So seeing how launches go and what people are happy to pay, this seems to have some relevance to back up my point.





It will take a big card and a good price from AMD to have this kind of impact on the market.



And if that happens, they are well on the way to doing that.

+1

The GTX 970 is really good value, even at it's launch price it's the best bang for buck card right now. The 980 is for those who know there paying extra for a little less return. It's always been like that no reason Nvidia should give them away, especially when you consider the 980 is beating the Titan Black in performance. There isn't a comparable AMD card so until there is Nvidia can put a premium on those parts.

There is no reason to look beyond the GTX 970 if you're buying a GPU atm. It's almost like when Intel released the core2 architecture VS whatever AMD had at the time, Maxwell has just highlighted the heat / temps of the R9 2XX cards and made them look old hat in comparison. Maxwell on 20nm will be even better.

AMD need to get something new out, hopefully with HBM and offer a real incentive not to choose Nvidia. Until then Nvidia can charge a premium for what is a superior product with no direct alternative, just like Intel do with their CPU's..

No point people getting mad about it, AMD need to compete, they will.. The question is when?
 
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And no it isn't fact at all. The 8800 Ultra was launched in 2007 and cost $829 and the cut down version (the 8800GTX) cost a whopping $600. In todays prices, these new 980s and 970s seem cheap in comparison.

So seeing how launches go and what people are happy to pay, this seems to have some relevance to back up my point.





It will take a big card and a good price from AMD to have this kind of impact on the market.



And if that happens, they are well on the way to doing that.



Again, in your opinion. I have proven you wrong on prices rising but you clearly can't accept I am right and just move on. No point carrying this on if you refuse to accept real facts.

No you have not proven me wrong, there was no competing product for that card and it was a huge jump from anything else at time which is not the case for most of the time since then hence why the average price has been lower and AMD had not been trying to follow suit with there prices at that time, as seen as the competition caught up prices plummeted.

You can not claim on average prices have been falling because of a high priced NV anomaly of the past [notice no high price ATI/AMD anomaly of the past] , its like calming prices have fallen for duel GPU card because on average they are cheaper than the Titan Z.

The prices that people are paying now for high end single cards is what used to be reserved for duel GPU cards.

And your real facts are missing the point 3 times in a row because my point is not about how well things are selling then or now my point was never about that, but you drum on with it anyway, i had already said people are accepting higher prices which is besides the point which was never in dispute is the first place.
 
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The GTX 970 is really good value,

In comparison to what NV have been pricing things lately yeah i agree.
But people who always buy top end and swap cards so often rarely see true value as most things look better value wise in comparison.
 
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The prices that people are paying now for high end single cards is what used to be reserved for duel GPU cards.


Would you consider a 780 on release a high end, or a 780ti

you couldn't get dual 7800gtx or 8800gtx for the price of one of those cards?

or are we talking way way back.



also, Multi-quote is your friend
 
Would you consider a 780 on release a high end, or a 780ti

you couldn't get dual 7800gtx or 8800gtx for the price of one of those cards?

or are we talking way way back.



also, Multi-quote is your friend

780 yes which the price plummeted when AMD bought out there high end.

There was no 2x7800gtx or 2x8800gtx cards, you could get 3870X2 DualGPU ATI/AMD cards for less £268.75 (inc.VAT), in fact 2 for quadfire £537 (inc.VAT)
 
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Why would it be a failure if it's not at least 20% faster than a 980?

Because if it was roughly equivalent to a GTX980 yet required a water based cooling solution because it ran so hot it would be a laughing stock.

R9 295X at least made the Titan Z look silly.
 
Normal day in the life of the graphics forum. :p:D

Haha, everything will calm down again once AMD launch some new cards as well and normal order is restored. I think AMD guys are just impatiently waiting for something new. When it happens Nvidia will re-adjust prices against AMD's new stack and also launch something new, everyone's a winner.. Well if you like GPU's anyway :p
 
780 yes which the price plummeted when AMD bought out there high end.

There was no 2x7800gtx or 2x8800gtx cards, you could get 3870X2 DualGPU ATI/AMD cards for that price, in fact 2 for quadfire.


Apologies i misread your post and thought you meant dual gpus as in TWO cards . :eek: :D
 
Haha, everything will calm down again once AMD launch some new cards as well and normal order is restored. I think AMD guys are just impatiently waiting for something new. When it happens Nvidia will re-adjust prices against AMD's new stack and also launch something new, everyone's a winner.. Well if you like GPU's anyway :p

I like GPUs and i also like new but i dont like the prices hence why have have not bought anything since the 7950s and they were meant to be only temporary stop gaps, am also willing to pay over the odds when something impresses me enough and i have not had that since the 2 4GB 5970's that i had.
 
Haha, everything will calm down again once AMD launch some new cards as well and normal order is restored. I think AMD guys are just impatiently waiting for something new. When it happens Nvidia will re-adjust prices against AMD's new stack and also launch something new, everyone's a winner.. Well if you like GPU's anyway :p

I thought that too until I realized if Nvidia gave us the real top end new architecture first at 970 price's without all this messing then consumers would be getting great value straight away and those who choose Amd or Nvidia or would go for either end up more winners than the way it has been the last few gens. Maybe I expect more as I don't change cards everytime something new appears just to play with it. :)
 
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