Vigilante Justice...

IronWarrior · 5 Oct 2014 at 12:03

Vigilante justice is no different then the muslims in the third world stoning women and men to death for petty crimes while screaming god is great and dancing.

Seems the difference between them and some people here is very small.

Nevakonaza · 5 Oct 2014 at 12:19

I cant believe that letter the police sent to Hunter basicly saying he needed to stop and was causing complications to police investigations.

If the police were to act faster and do their jobs right there wouldn't be any need for Hunter...hes doing a good job imo.

estebanrey · 5 Oct 2014 at 12:30

Not that I want to give paedos tips or anything but surely all the kiddie fiddler has to do is ask for an explicit image/video before agreeing to meet. If Stinson sends him one then he himself would be arrested for reproducing indecent images of children.

Also, given he was talking to a bloke in his 20s/30s, no actual offence has been committed has it?

RDM · 5 Oct 2014 at 12:43

Nevakonaza said:
I cant believe that letter the police sent to Hunter basicly saying he needed to stop and was causing complications to police investigations.

If the police were to act faster and do their jobs right there wouldn't be any need for Hunter...hes doing a good job imo.

He isn't doing that good a job because none of the evidence he gathers is of any use in getting these people convicted. If it is also interfering with ongoing investigations then it could mean people getting away with crimes too.

Nitefly · 5 Oct 2014 at 12:55

estebanrey said:
Also, given he was talking to a bloke in his 20s/30s, no actual offence has been committed has it?

I'm of that opinion as well. Obviously said person has acted in a very morally dubious and rightly condemnable way, but because no actual harm has been done it seems a bit harsh to send them straight to the public gallows.

Locky · 5 Oct 2014 at 13:03

W!ll said:
He doesn't though, he collects evidence that is not admissible

WRONG WRONG WRONG...

It is and people have been convicted because of his evidence and people caught usually have indecent images of children on their devices...

I fully support outing these dirty nonce's.

platypus · 5 Oct 2014 at 13:29

Kamerad said:
I'd rather not have the general public dealing out justice.

Agreed.

platypus · 5 Oct 2014 at 13:32

Von Smallhausen said:
Just the fault of the police ? There's no criticism of other judicial departments such as the lawmakers or courts ? Interesting but your suggestion that the only choice is vigilantism is a little disturbing.

Look at the poster, are you surprised?

Von Smallhausen · 5 Oct 2014 at 13:48

As they say in the trade ..... no comment.

platinum87 · 5 Oct 2014 at 15:08

I'm confused as to how people fall for such an obvious trap.

Overall i don't think it is a good idea to lure stupid unpredictable criminals to yourself.

tribz · 5 Oct 2014 at 15:19

RDM said:
He isn't doing that good a job because none of the evidence he gathers is of any use in getting these people convicted. If it is also interfering with ongoing investigations then it could mean people getting away with crimes too.

All but one of the men stung in the program were later convicted. I think 10 of his stings in total have resulted in a conviction.

Guest2 · 5 Oct 2014 at 15:20

platinum87 said:
I'm confused as to how people fall for such an obvious trap.

Overall i don't think it is a good idea to lure stupid unpredictable criminals to yourself.

Yeh, its not the smartest idea but i noticed one rather large guy that always pops out from somewhere. They are also on a rough estate by the looks of it where people would be more than willing to beat up some nonses.

Stinson has been ran over in the past, he also had a scar and what looked like a hole in the back of his head where he was ran over. Not the safest way to catch people out but suppose it works!

RDM · 5 Oct 2014 at 15:41

tribz said:
All but one of the men stung in the program were later convicted. I think 10 of his stings in total have resulted in a conviction.

Is it his stings that result in conviction or is the person being investigated anyway? I am not sure that his stings actually end up with the men in question doing anything illegal, they just think they are doing something illegal.

Rroff · 5 Oct 2014 at 15:47

estebanrey said:
Not that I want to give paedos tips or anything but surely all the kiddie fiddler has to do is ask for an explicit image/video before agreeing to meet. If Stinson sends him one then he himself would be arrested for reproducing indecent images of children.

Also, given he was talking to a bloke in his 20s/30s, no actual offence has been committed has it?

If the guy is effectively grooming what he thinks is a child hes not going to ask for an explicit image as that could trip their sensibilities - they are worming their way in past/around the child's defences.

Deep · 5 Oct 2014 at 18:53

deuse said:
I'm glad some of them lost their jobs after getting caught. They should be named and shamed.

And if people start attacking their families?

wndsr · 5 Oct 2014 at 18:54

Deep said:
And if people start attacking their families?

Naturally this is one of the risks of this type of work, but surely their names would be published even if they were exposes through 'conventional' police methods?

dowie · 5 Oct 2014 at 19:01

I'm 50/50 on the value of him doing this as far as getting convictions is concerned... on one hand he has got some convictions as a result - on the other hand he's basically tipped off the person he's filmed... it's not like the police arrive with him - they now know someone is going to report them and no doubt they'll destroy whatever incriminating evidence they have... It's not like the police coming up to the door and surprising these nonces + seizing their computers... I wonder how many hard drives/memory disks were destroyed after his visits & prior to the police follow up.

The FBI handled this much much better - IIRC they set up a pay site to trap nonces - data concerning UK ones were passed to the UK and the police arrested a whole load of people. I don't see that there is much need for a wanna be youtube star to get involved in this.

413x · 5 Oct 2014 at 19:02

Quite an amazing documentary I thought

On the face of it it seems very much a good thing
The problem comes putting it online.
I was surprised c4 could show the culprits faces

shauncr91 · 5 Oct 2014 at 19:13

estebanrey said:
Also, given he was talking to a bloke in his 20s/30s, no actual offence has been committed has it?

It's attempted though, in the same way that you can be tried for contemplating lots of crimes but not actually committing it.

Rroff · 5 Oct 2014 at 19:20

Nevakonaza said:
I cant believe that letter the police sent to Hunter basicly saying he needed to stop and was causing complications to police investigations.

If the police were to act faster and do their jobs right there wouldn't be any need for Hunter...hes doing a good job imo.

Its a tricky one, my sister reported something and the police didn't seem to be doing anything for ages (other than accidentally phoning her instead of the intended target when setting up a sting operation) then months later they took down a much bigger operation because of intel found while observing the people she'd reported.