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i had 1 in a pre facelift celica, the preface only suffer a design fault with the oil rings on the pistons causing it to use oil and blow the bottom end.
pre face is 99 - 52 face lift is 52 to 55 they are not bad motors and are a bit more economical but not worth sacrificing 50 bhp worth. still good fun and cheap.
you can get 200k out of these engines with not much more then oil changes
 
I don't know I've driven a few 140 celicas and I think they are the same as the 190 without the lift, if anything the ratios are maybe a bit better, I barely get to hit lift in mine due to traffic so the cheaper costs might be worth it for such a car
 
Hmm... I might still test drive one guys. I am going from 55HP after all, so my standards are lower. :p
 
You'll want lift trust me. It's so much better. Plus I cant see the insurance been that much more for a 190.

My life without lift wouldn't be as much fun when the road opens up.
 
BD10NNF said:
You'll want lift trust me. It's so much better. Plus I cant see the insurance been that much more for a 190.

My life without lift wouldn't be as much fun when the road opens up.
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I'm 19. It is £1000 for the 140 and £1800 for the 190. :p

Before you say I must be mad to spend £1K on insurance, trust me, at 19 these days, its not that bad... :(

I pay £700 for the Polo! :p
 
Acme said:
I'm 19. It is £1000 for the 140 and £1800 for the 190. :p

Before you say I must be mad to spend £1K on insurance, trust me, at 19 these days, its not that bad... :(

I pay £700 for the Polo! :p
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really? at the start of this year when i was 20 i got my mr2 insured for £800 modified (brakes,rims the normal) with 1 years ncb and one year driving.
 
Post code lottery. I was paying £1000 last year on my T Sport.
Get a 190 and just pay the insurance cause you'll drive one at some point and wish you had it.
 
I didn't want to start another car insurance discussion, they seem to be my speciality! So I'll just say thanks for the input, and chuck it on my pile of considerations. :)

Though, is the 1ZZ-FE as bulletproof as the 2ZZ-GE?
 
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2zz is bullet proof the 1zz pre face lift is not! many are cheap because they use oil/ bottom end has gone. i had to do mine new pistons , rings and bearings.
 
Okay just so that I don't get mixed up, is the 1ZZ engine the same in both pre and post face-lift cars, and equally 'bad' in each? Or is the 140PS engine post-facelift no longer a 1ZZ?

When was the face-lift? I have seen both front-end styles, but there seem to be cars from the same year(s) with both kinds :confused:
 
Acme said:
Okay just so that I don't get mixed up, is the 1ZZ engine the same in both pre and post face-lift cars, and equally 'bad' in each? Or is the 140PS engine post-facelift no longer a 1ZZ?

When was the face-lift? I have seen both front-end styles, but there seem to be cars from the same year(s) with both kinds :confused:
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ok 1zz is the 140bhp the 2zz is the 190

pre face lift is 99 - 02 has a cut out in front bumper with the Toyota badge
the face lift has a slit in the front bumper. 02 - 05
 
Alright, so any 140 will be a 1ZZ and therefore may suffer from the issues you described?

Is it a common and prevalent issue? Or is it just something that some of the cheaper, higher mileage and possibly badly looked after examples could suffer from, simply because they are not as "bulletproof" as the 2ZZ?
 
Acme said:
Alright, so any 140 will be a 1ZZ and therefore may suffer from the issues you described?
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yes but only the pre facelift suffer from that issue. if the oil is not changed often.

the 2zz - 190bhp

the pre facelifts ate called 190's the facelifts are called t - sports and GT's ( body kit)


the otehr way to tell the differeance between facelift and pre face lift is


pre facelift
dash surround is Grey
no traction control

facelift
dash surrond is black ish.
has traction control
 
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leigh_boy said:
yes but only the pre facelift suffer from that issue. if the oil is not changed often.
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Regarding the 140 still, forgive me for being stupid, but if it is the same engine, why would it only be the pre-facelift which suffers from the issue?

What was changed in the facelift 140 to prevent it? Was it just an amended service interval or something? :)
 
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Acme said:
Regarding the 140 still, forgive me for being stupid, but if it is the same engine, why would it only be the pre-facelift which suffers from the issue?

What was changed in the facelift 140 to prevent it? Was it just an amended service interval or something? :)
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revised oil piston rings
 
leigh_boy said:
revised oil piston rings
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Taa. :)

Most of these seem to be hovering around the 100K mile mark at this point (sort of 80K to 120K)

Is there any reason to avoid these? Is there necessarily any benefit in looking to spend more on one of the lower mileage examples? (there are a few with 60K - 80K about)
 
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Acme said:
Taa.

Most of these seem to be hovering around the 100K mile mark at this point (sort of 80K to 120K)

Is there any reason to avoid these? Is there necessarily any benefit in looking to spend more on one of the lower mileage examples? (there are a few with 60K - 80K about)

100K is my mental threshold for almost any car really, past that I start to feel a bit iffy about them.

The Polo is on 130K, but it is gutless and as tough as old boots, so it doesn't concern me as much.
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nope not really, engines are cam chained. unless it sounds like crap and the tip of the exhaust is oily they are good.

200k can be done easy on both the engines. i had 1 from 70k up to 140k miles and was solid.
 
Thanks :)

Any difference in handling components (suspension, brakes, etc) between the facelift 140 and the 190/TS?
 
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