Krav Maga

Almost every person that does martial arts think they're ip man or neo. Until you get into a so called street brawl you haven't really had a fight. (I'm not a "hard man" just an ignorant **** who refuses to back down)

I mean taekwondo I love it but jumping spiny kicks are not for street fights. When you're ****ed almost any kind of kick won't end well for you (at least in my experience). All about the joint locks and hope someone bigger than you comes to break it up, preferably a bouncer or police.

If someone came at me with a knife the first thing I'd do would be **** myself swiftly followed by legging it. I'm not even attempting anything unless I had no choice.
 
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Mynight said:
Almost every person that does martial arts think they're ip man or neo. Until you get into a so called street brawl you haven't really had a fight. (I'm not a "hard man" just an ignorant **** who refuses to back down)

I mean taekwondo I love it but jumping spiny kicks are not for street fights. When you're ****ed almost any kind of kick won't end well for you (at least in my experience). All about the joint locks and hope someone bigger than you comes to break it up, preferably a bouncer or police.

If someone came at me with a knife the first thing I'd do would be **** myself swiftly followed by legging it. I'm not even attempting anything unless I had no choice.
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Which is exactly what Krav is.
 
Mynight said:
I mean taekwondo I love it but jumping spiny kicks are not for street fights. When you're ****ed almost any kind of kick won't end well for you (at least in my experience). All about the joint locks and hope someone bigger than you comes to break it up, preferably a bouncer or police.
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You seem to know very little about taekwondo, :rolleyes:

Most people I know who do MA would not use a kick in a street fight, its slow and easy to defend against. But you are right about restraining someone.

But why do you need someone bigger, size is irreverent, I teach women to defend themselves from male attacks, and they do a good job on people much bigger than themselves.
 
Sorry I was only using the standard generalisation of taekwondo I know it's not really about these flashy spinning kicks. I've been practising for coming up 11 years now so I know a fair amount. Still always got room to improve though :).

As for why do I want a bigger person/police my reasoning is if I've managed to restrain someone my options become somewhat limited, I can try and talk them down whilst they're restrained, I can hope someone bigger comes and tries to talk them down(size can sometimes be enough of a deterant)or they phone police, lastly if I have no other option its to cause them enough pain whilst restrained that they don't try again once released.

I don't want to risk letting them go without success in either of those 3 options as I may not get a second chance of restraining them, they may not show restraint and could do me some serious harm.

The worst thing I have ever seen is a fight where someone get knocked to the floor and then the attacker follows up with stamps on the head. Afaik that guy never fully recovered.

Edit: if I'm wrong please correct me. Always willing to learn :).
 
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Back in the nineties I used to train in Karate. Some of the Sensei's worked in Security and took to the whole Street Fighting thing. They used to do a lot of seminars with a guy called Geoff Thomson. They were called "Animal days" If I remember correctly.

It reminds me very much of Krav Maga, the whole no nonsense, take them out quickly thing.
 
I've never tried Krav but I've been doing a bit of BJJ for fun - the grappling is so much more realistic in terms of self defense and just learning some good incapacitating holds works well. Size and strength does help if you haven't got the skill as you can use it to your advantage, but ultimately, you want to temporarily disable or distract your attacker enough for you to get away.
 
BJJ (and any form of grappling in general) is very very effective - it also has the advantage that it looks much more like self defence in a court/in front of a police officer.
 
My brother has started doing krav maga lately, though it does help that he lives in israel and his girfriend and her brother are very well practiced in it, (he's ex idf sf). It does seem like a more practical use martial art compared to some oriental types. Perhaps moreso in an armed forces/service environment.
 
McGray said:
Which is exactly what Krav is.
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Not the one that most people learn in class at their local leisure centre. Krav has become just the latest "cool" exercise class.

At the end of the day it teaches a core blitz system of self defence. The short of it is either avoid the fight if at all possible, if you can't then put the person down as quickly and aggressively as possible. Once you get to grips with that, any fighting technique is pretty much the same as any other. It's how you apply it that matters. "Kick the **** outta them before they do it to you" is effectively all there is too it at the end of the day. Street fighting 101
 
Castiel said:
Not the one that most people learn in class at their local leisure centre. Krav has become just the latest "cool" exercise class.

At the end of the day it teaches a core blitz system of self defence. The short of it is either avoid the fight if at all possible, if you can't then put the person down as quickly and aggressively as possible. Once you get to grips with that, any fighting technique is pretty much the same as any other. It's how you apply it that matters. "Kick the **** outta them before they do it to you" is effectively all there is too it at the end of the day. Street fighting 101
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Lol, its nothing like a cool exercise class.
 
I think Castiel is referring to that fact it's the latest in a line of so called "legit" self-defence systems taught to civilians before this it was all BJJ, before that you were nothing unless you did Muay Thai, etc.

I would also question the quality of the teaching compared to what they teach in the military.

Any military based system is roughly the same be it this Sambo, LINES, etc. This is just the new "cool" thing to do. And I'd bet on 18 stone 6ft 2in bloke with no training against a 5ft 6in 7 stone person with Krav skills any day. The best form of self-defence is not putting yourself in stupid positions in the first place and no martial-art really teaches you that - you learn that from life, psychology and a willingness to accept that being in certain places at certain times and drinking over a reasonable amount will increase the risk of problems despite what the PC brigade will tell you.
 
Freefaller said:
Absolutely - which is why it is more important to get yourself out of the situation ASAP. Even Krav won't stop someone stabbing or kicking you.
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yep . forget martial arts for majority of situations just try to avoid or just get out.

i dont care if you black belt 4th dan. some guy coked up machetes you you aint blocking it or stopping them without serious damage.

seen many situations with door man and other people getting good hidings by just groups of teenagers. most people who are going to fight cause agro have something on them also.

i can honestly say if anything you were going to learn id do boxing or nothing . some really sick people walking about and Krav maga wont stop FA.

this isnt a post showing off its a post to stop some who will try to learn martial arts and get a really good hiding. martial arts is just theory . street fights dont follow rules.

stay safe dont waste time learning useless fighting techniques.
 
I'm doing my first Krav Maga session tonight, the only martial arts experience I Have is about a year of Judo when I was 17 (27 now).

Reading online it seems that every thread in every forum I look at descends into people arguing about whether it's a complete waste of time or the most effective self defence method ever.

I'm not doing it so I can go out and be Batman, I'm doing it 1. for fitness, I work in IT so more then 50% of my job is desk based, and I'm over weight. 2. Learn something new and 3. To learn self defence (this seems to be a contentious point) so that in a worst case scenario (can't run or avoid), I will have some training to fall back on.

I shall let you know how I feel about it later (if I'm able to use a computer afterwards :p )
 
cliffo88 said:
I'm doing my first Krav Maga session tonight, the only martial arts experience I Have is about a year of Judo when I was 17 (27 now).

Reading online it seems that every thread in every forum I look at descends into people arguing about whether it's a complete waste of time or the most effective self defence method ever.

I'm not doing it so I can go out and be Batman, I'm doing it 1. for fitness, I work in IT so more then 50% of my job is desk based, and I'm over weight. 2. Learn something new and 3. To learn self defence (this seems to be a contentious point) so that in a worst case scenario (can't run or avoid), I will have some training to fall back on.

I shall let you know how I feel about it later (if I'm able to use a computer afterwards :p )
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Hope you enjoy it buddy, Ive been going for 6 months now, have graded my p1 in december and im grading p2 in Israel in June. I started for teh same reasons you did, what i didnt really anticipate was how much it would impact my social life, ive met a huge amount of new friends, I couldnt recommend it highly enough.

Where are you doing your class and who's it affiliated with?

Unfortunately got a torn groin that i got a few weeks ago at class so its killing me missing my classes at the moment!
 
Metalface Mark said:
Hope you enjoy it buddy, Ive been going for 6 months now, have graded my p1 in december and im grading p2 in Israel in June. I started for teh same reasons you did, what i didnt really anticipate was how much it would impact my social life, ive met a huge amount of new friends, I couldnt recommend it highly enough.

Where are you doing your class and who's it affiliated with?

Unfortunately got a torn groin that i got a few weeks ago at class so its killing me missing my classes at the moment!
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It's with these guys: http://www.kentkravmaga.com

it's within walking distance too, so very handy for me.
 
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