Subaru Impreza 2.0D Boxer engine

People calling it a rubbish car without ever actually trying one out or owning one, just going by reviews online or stereotypes.

Granted they are not class leaders, but far from being "rubbish cars". OP if you like the car go for it, asking for opinion on a car other than a Golf, Mondeo or equivalent will give you answers that every other car is rubbish. The A3 might have a better interior but is in no way superior than the Impreza in other areas and I bet you will spend more time repairing it then driving it.
 
lemonade said:
A car being either common or uncommon doesn't dictate whether it's a bad or a good car. Silly logic.
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That's right! You're onto something because people don't intentionally buy good cars, why would you see more of them?

Infact it's all those bad cars that sell really well. People buy bad cars on purpose.
 
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Minstadave said:
That's right because people don't buy good cars, why would you see more of them?
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Yes of course so a Lexus IS that hardly sells is a terrible, damn awful car, worst car ever made.

The Xsara Picasso which sold like hotcakes is the best car ever made, everyone should drive around in one.

:rolleyes:
 
Good cars sell, that depends on your definition of a good car, it's not necessarily the fastest or the best interior, but the most attractive to a particular buyer.

A Xsara Picasso was a cheap family lugger, therefore it was good amongst its rivals and sold.

A Lexus IS is arguable not as good as its German rivals, therefore doesn't sell very well.

A diesel Subara is by your own words "not class leading" so doesn't sell.

Use your brain.
 
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Minstadave said:
Good cars sell, that depends on your definition of a good car, it's not necessarily the fastest or the best interior, but the most attractive to a particular buyer.

A Xsara Picasso was a cheap family lugger, therefore it was good amongst its rivals and sold.

A Lexus IS is arguable not as good as its German rivals, therefore doesn't sell very well.

A diesel Subara is by your own words "not class leading" so doesn't sell.

Use your brain.
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Exactly my point, so how common a car is does not dictate whether its a bad or a good car, there's loads of factors that come in. The Xsara Picasso was a horrible car, and there were other cars in that category that were better, but the Xsara was cheap to buy with offers Citroen had so they sold well.

The Corsa is an another good example, horrible car and I would rather use a bus then drive one, but they sell like hotcakes, they are not even close to being class leaders.

Subaru are a niche brand, the Impreza is a low volume model, Subaru's have never been a common sight and most people if you ask them would not even know a diesel Impreza exists. It being an uncommon sight does not make it an awful car. The past Legacy's were very uncommon, but they were fantastic cars, far better than other rubbish that sold in the millions.

Ultimately there are various factors at play as to why one car sells well and the other doesnt, and it isn't merely down to one being better or worse.
 
lemonade said:
A car being either common or uncommon doesn't dictate whether it's a bad or a good car. Silly logic.
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It kinda does in the case of mass market cars designed to sell in large numbers. A Ferrari F50 is not common - because they didnt sell many and they cost a fortune to buy a run.

An Impreza Diesel was designed to sell in reasonable numbers and didn't because it offers almost nothing that the established competition doesn't simply offer better.
 
lemonade said:
Yes of course so a Lexus IS that hardly sells is a terrible, damn awful car, worst car ever made.

The Xsara Picasso which sold like hotcakes is the best car ever made, everyone should drive around in one.

:rolleyes:
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The Xsara Piccaso is a 'good' car - which is why it sells. Unfortunately, its 'good' at being cheap to buy and practical. Thats why it sold in such large volumes.

The Lexus IS, by contrast, did very little better than the established German competition and until very recently suffered from an interior that was more Toyota than it was Audi and no credible range of diesel engines, just a fairly rubbish 4 pot. So, it didn't sell anything like as well as it's competitors, which had a far better choice of range.
 
vanpeebles said:
It's far from a rubbish car. If you want a diesel 4wd car then you have limited options. Maybe something 4motion etc?
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In your opinion then, what is good about a car with a poor engine, outdated and poor interior with barely any decent features?

What is logically left to be 'good' about the car apart from the fact that it has 4wd?
 
[TW]Fox;27092033 said:
The Xsara Piccaso is a 'good' car - which is why it sells. Unfortunately, its 'good' at being cheap to buy and practical. Thats why it sold in such large volumes.

The Lexus IS, by contrast, did very little better than the established German competition and until very recently suffered from an interior that was more Toyota than it was Audi and no credible range of diesel engines, just a fairly rubbish 4 pot. So, it didn't sell anything like as well as it's competitors, which had a far better choice of range.
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The Xsara Picasso is a 'terrible' car, it didn't sell well because it was a good car, it sold well because it was cheap.

The Lexus IS, and the rest of the range for that matter are never going to be big sellers in Europe, even the new IS which is a fantastic car and IMO nicer than some of its rivals is not going to sell in high volumes, doesn't mean its a bad car, nor were the old ones.

Anyway I think I have made my point, 'commonality' on its own doesn't dictate whether something is good or not.
 
vanpeebles said:
According to who? What jolly up monthly?
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What the hell are you on about. :confused:

Engine - We've already established the diesel has common issues.
Interior - Jap plastic, need I say more?

Comparing an Impreza interior to an A3 interior is like night and day. You buy an impreza for the driving experience, not because it's comfortable and eats miles.

Following on from Fox's point, if the diesel impreza is so great, why are there so few of them?
 
Bunka said:
What the hell are you on about. :confused:

Engine - We've already established the diesel has common issues.
Interior - Jap plastic, need I say more?

Comparing an Impreza interior to an A3 interior is like night and day. You buy an impreza for the driving experience, not because it's comfortable and eats miles.

Following on from Fox's point, if the diesel impreza is so great, why are there so few of them?
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What are the common issues? There's really only one issue and that was the crankshaft splitting in two on <2010 models. The only other issues are typical diesel issue you have on every engine like the DPF, some clutch issues.

As for the interior, another nonsense point, that gen Impreza had a good quality interior, far better than previous generations, and everything is all screwed together properly like you would expect in a Subaru. The Audi is all about perceived quality, it is not night and day ahead, it is only slightly better.

The Impreza also is comfy, it has a very good ride and quality, this isn't an STI he is buying, the suspension is tuned differently.

The only big question really hanging over it is whether the engine will have the revised crankshaft design.

As for Fox's comment, already covered that strawman argument.
 
lemonade said:
What are the common issues? There's really only one issue and that was the crankshaft splitting in two on <2010 models. The only other issues are typical diesel issue you have on every engine like the DPF, some clutch issues.

As for the interior, another nonsense point, that gen Impreza had a good quality interior, far better than previous generations, and everything is all screwed together properly like you would expect in a Subaru. The Audi is all about perceived quality, it is not night and day ahead, it is only slightly better.

The Impreza also is comfy, it has a very good ride and quality, this isn't an STI he is buying, the suspension is tuned differently.

The only big question really hanging over it is whether the engine will have the revised crankshaft design.

As for Fox's comment, already covered that strawman argument.
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Do you genuinely believe that the interior is a good interior? I'm not talking about how well it's screwed together (i've only spent ten minutes at a time in one anyway) but simply styling and materials used. It's better than the previous model, but it's still pretty disgusting!

The vag cars are indeed all about perceived quality - unfortunately this makes a big difference over an car like the Subaru.

The Legacy has a nicer interior (genuinely decent), still 4wd, the engine fits the character of the car better plus it's got plenty of room. I can't see the appeal of the impreza over it with a diseasel engine.
 
rodenal said:
Do you genuinely believe that the interior is a good interior? I'm not talking about how well it's screwed together (i've only spent ten minutes at a time in one anyway) but simply styling and materials used. It's better than the previous model, but it's still pretty disgusting!

The vag cars are indeed all about perceived quality - unfortunately this makes a big difference over an car like the Subaru.

The Legacy has a nicer interior (genuinely decent), still 4wd, the engine fits the character of the car better plus it's got plenty of room. I can't see the appeal of the impreza over it with a diseasel engine.
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Yes for the quality, no for the styling, it is not the best around (its just a measly hatchback afterall), but IMO it is good, (granted I didn't go round touching up and molesting every single bit of plastic, but tell me who does on a daily basis), and for people to proclaim an A3 is night and day ahead is nonsense, never understood the hype, put someone blindfolded in an A3, an Impreza and a Focus, and I bet you they won't be able to tell the difference.

The Legacy is a different class of car, as far as I can tell the OP is after a small hatch hence the Impreza and A3 being considered.
 
The interior looks so basic with what looks like quite a lack of the sort of equipment you'd find in a modern hatchback. I see no reason to buy one of these over a Golf/Astra/Focus.
 
It actually comes with a lot of kit as standard, and you get a bit more further up the model chain.

The Subaru is really a left field choice, I would personally have one over a Golf/Astra/Focus/Civic, but not a diesel one.
 
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