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Would this have been classified as indecent exposure without the contact?
Poll: Student jailed for 9 months for "prank"
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Elmarko was using a slippery slope fallacy to substantiate his point - I merely did the same. In all likelihood it may be what it may be - an isolated incident - but it may also have lead to more severe actions. For example we have a post in this thread where someone details a party where someone saw fit to urinate on someone - after that other people joined in - would they have done that if someone had not started the events. Maybe, maybe not. The point was elmarko can't play that card and not expect it to also apply to what he doesn't agree with. It is not a stretch that someone who gets away with such a "prank" once may then take the "prank" further especially when that person seems to exhibit such a callous disregard for how their actions may impinge on others. It was obviously serious enough for one of his mates to report him.
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Agree with elmarko there. The intent could be shock rather than anything sexual.
Still pretty gross though.
Also having played rugby I can assure you it's fairly timid. We learned early on not to fall asleep when drunk...
Still pretty gross though.
Also having played rugby I can assure you it's fairly timid. We learned early on not to fall asleep when drunk...
You seriously believe that such an action is not placed into context because of the actual sexual nature. This is why a large proportion of male rape (and any rape) occurs - not because of any sexual motive but due to desire to demonstrate dominance and to subjugate and humiliate.
I am genuinely shocked I am having to explain this to you of all people.
I agree you can't disregard how it may impact on the victim, just that the action was really sexual in nature or gross contact more fitting to common assault (also potentially resulting in a sentence, just without the sex offenders register).
Do you believe that every single male in the UK who has tea-bagged another person at a party (not that I have myself) should be classified as a sex offender?.
So do you classify male rapists in the same category as people who have tea-bagged another person at a party in the context of this?. Just because male rape doesn't always have a sexual nature (well, adult male rape that is) it's still actually the act of penetration & rather clear cut.
I'm shocked you seem to think the two are comparable.
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amazing comeback
It would have been if the definition for sexual intercourse didn't actually involve the usage of a penis being placed into the mouth, vagina or anus. Unfortunately, though that definition kind of does include that.
It would have been if the penis did not have 2 primary purposes whereas the fingers have I don't know about 50000.
This made me laugh as I can recall a case of someone being beaten to death with a sex toy.
Does that make it a sexual assault?
I realise me laughing at that it very disturbing
If that behaviour was felt as unwarranted and unwanted by the victim then maybe people wouldn't show such callous disregard for how the actions may affect other people.
It's funny how we had all the Jimmy Saville excuses saying oh well it was different in those days and now we can quite clearly see what occurred was wrong - well this is the same.
Do you think there are people who have had that to them who are genuinely affected by it detrimentally and as one can't tell what damage will occur until after the event then maybe we should assume such behaviour is unwarranted and respect other people and our potential to harm them.
You seem to be assuming once again that I think these acts are fine, I don't think tea-bagging is fine either or should be allowed. But I also don't think the kind of idiots who have done it are comparable to other sex offenders on the register.
I never once implied that, just regarding the severity of the punishment & if or not the act should be classified as sexual assault or common assault.
Anyway I have no desire to talk in circles for the remainder of the night, my position isn't fixed on the matter & there could easily be other factors we are unaware of - just based upon what's written it seems excessive compared to the kind of other acts which result in the similar sentence & being put on the sex offenders register.
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Rape and sexual assault are weighted differently as different distinctly described crimes as you well know. The subjugation and humiliation inflicted and sometimes the actual desired effect is because of the actual sexual connotations. Sexual context does not equal sexual attraction or gratification. It can be the removal of the potential for that in the victim as a method of control.
I don't and never said there was I was explaining common themes.
I have not once said you think they are fine. Please show we where I said that.
I have never once said they are comparable. Please show we where I said that.
I have said it is an assault of a sexual nature.
If there was no sexual undertones then why did they chose to do that and not put their shoulder or arm over your face?
I have also had women who have pulled down there top and shoved their breasts in my face, was I a victim of a sexual assault?
9 months jail 
seems pretty harsh to me. Without the full evidence it's hard to call. If it was very creepy and sexually motivated then yeh, punishment fully deserved. But if it was just a quick 'tap' in the face then... no. Heck, I've done that to my mates before!
seems pretty harsh to me. Without the full evidence it's hard to call. If it was very creepy and sexually motivated then yeh, punishment fully deserved. But if it was just a quick 'tap' in the face then... no. Heck, I've done that to my mates before!
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Guess everyone reacts differently and it should be case by case basis.
If someone smacked their knob across my wife/sister/daughters face (without consent whilst debilitated at a party) they would have more things to worry about than a 9 month sentence.
As you have not stated you found it to be of that nature and there was the potential for you to give consent then I would conclude not.
If some bloke when you were passed out drunk stuck his penis in your mouth would you prefer it not to happen again or would you not mind?
You didn't answer my question by the way. Which kind of really drives at the point here.
By the definition in the OP I would assume yes, and you have to ask whether her life should be ruined because of it?
Was it sexual assault merely because it was his willy? Or was the intent nothing to do with sex but everything to do with kids being stupid and thinking shoving a willy in the face of a drunken girl is funny?
I think it depends on an individual's perspective. But the more I think about it the more I feel that this was more a case of silly drunken teenagers larking about than any serious sexual assault that is likely to be repeated by the offender(s), I think that perhaps a custodial sentence and being put on a sexual offenders list which make no mistake, will totally ruin this kids chances in life, for his entire life, is a bit excessive for what appears to have actually happened.
Did the offender put his penis in her mouth? From what people have said that didn't happen?