LL oils + 18k change intervals = waste of time
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Prove the statements above.
Knowing his previous postings suggests he'll just argue and never provide any info...............Seeing as there are none.
What would you know about it anyway
That Fifth Gear episode where they compared the performance of a car with old oil v new oils, took it to the laboratory to measure viscosity, % contaminants etc.
As for smoothness, if you can't tell the difference, you need to give up driving!
£18 for enough oil to perform a full oil change? You sure you bought engine oil and not vegetable oil?!
Actually, come to think of it, its more like £22 if you need 6 litres of LL04. Plus the cost of the filter of course. That said, even if you were to stick with the original filter and just change the oil (with an extractor pump for example), it would be still be better than keeping the old shagged oil.
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As for smoothness, if you can't tell the difference, you need to give up driving!
I have never noticed a difference in smoothness on any of my cars before v after a service (ie with old v fresh oil).
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Definitely a difference though less noticeable in a 6cyl. Much more noticeable in a 4cyl, particularly any high mileage 4cyl.
Cleaner oil, less viscous, less contaminants, engine working more easily.
Same, never noticed the slightest bit of difference to the drive, including my current 4cyl car which was serviced not long after I bought it...I drive it in a "spirited" manner fairly often
I quite like getting the manky oil out even after 10-12k, but the new stuff doesn't exactly stay clean for long
I quite like getting the manky oil out even after 10-12k, but the new stuff doesn't exactly stay clean for long
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I've never noticed a difference in any of my cars, with one exception - the MX5. It always seemed to feel just a little bit smoother / less coarse after I changed the oil. That may well just be in my head and the power of suggestion though.
The gentlemen who brought his Citroen 1.6 hdi in yesterday that was 40,000 overdue for a service would have certainly had noticed a difference. Unfortunately a bit too late as he now has turbo blades stuck in the piston crowns and a sump containing an inch of burnt tar.
'can you just change the turbo and top the oil up?' No, no we can't.
'can you just change the turbo and top the oil up?' No, no we can't.
Long Life servicing isn't about serving the Owners interests or the Vehicles.
It is an eco thing to reduce the amounts of used engine oil produced nationally each year. (As is the reduced sump capacities of many modern engines! some have little more than 3 litres!
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The combination of Turbos, (Ludicrously) high specific performance low capacity engines, hydraulic valve trains, reduced sump capacity and extended service intervals is a perfect ****storm of mechanical madness!
20-30,000 mile oil changes make about as much sense to me as not having a spare tyre!#
You will probabally get the 100,000 miles/8 years that the manufacturers want you to get using a LL strategy but I wouldnt want to bet too much on getting much more than that, especially on the sub 1600 TD's!
(# And that is an ecotard thing too really! I know all about directional tyres but that doesn't preclude having an omnidirectional spare. The "No Spare" thing is about weight/emissions saving! No spare also = No jack/tools which also saves weight! Good for box ticking but not at all good in terms of practical utility! (It also slightly reduces production costs resulting in a slightly lower sale price C/W the opportunity to sell a "Spare Kit" for an outrageous sum! I was in a Renault dealer the other day and they were offering a "Spare Kit" for a mid level model IIRC it was over £300!))
It is an eco thing to reduce the amounts of used engine oil produced nationally each year. (As is the reduced sump capacities of many modern engines! some have little more than 3 litres!
)The combination of Turbos, (Ludicrously) high specific performance low capacity engines, hydraulic valve trains, reduced sump capacity and extended service intervals is a perfect ****storm of mechanical madness!
20-30,000 mile oil changes make about as much sense to me as not having a spare tyre!#
You will probabally get the 100,000 miles/8 years that the manufacturers want you to get using a LL strategy but I wouldnt want to bet too much on getting much more than that, especially on the sub 1600 TD's!
(# And that is an ecotard thing too really! I know all about directional tyres but that doesn't preclude having an omnidirectional spare. The "No Spare" thing is about weight/emissions saving! No spare also = No jack/tools which also saves weight! Good for box ticking but not at all good in terms of practical utility! (It also slightly reduces production costs resulting in a slightly lower sale price C/W the opportunity to sell a "Spare Kit" for an outrageous sum! I was in a Renault dealer the other day and they were offering a "Spare Kit" for a mid level model IIRC it was over £300!))