Britain asked to cough up £1.9 billion to the EU

[anything I don't mind]

Links?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Europe-Shattering-Illusions-Vaclav-Klaus/dp/1408187647/

President of the Czech republic wrote a book and compared the eu to the soviet union in a lot of ways. If you think the soviet union was good then i can understand why you would like the eu.

https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/euroscepticism

Bottom line is that we don't need to be in the EU, the UK with the strongest currency in the world and one of the largest economies, used to operate fine independently. The eu is the only region on the planet not seeing economic growth at the moment.

Did you even read the article and the links included? The benefits outweigh the costs/disadvantages.

I read the article, The so called benefits do not out eight the disadvantages it is just that the EU has a lot of other people money to finance positive studies and books about the eu. That is why it is a lot easier to find positive articles about the EU than the negative ones.

Basically have a lot of money going to the EU and a lot of that money is being spent on keeping the EU in place. Whether it is financing pro eu studies or books or setting up entire departments to push up pro european propaganda literature. The EU is doing its part to make sure that it continues receiving lots of other people money.

 

[Zethor]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Europe-Shattering-Illusions-Vaclav-Klaus/dp/1408187647/

President of the Czech republic wrote a book and compared the eu to the soviet union in a lot of ways. If you think the soviet union was good then i can understand why you would like the eu.

https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/euroscepticism

Bottom line is that we don't need to be in the EU, was the UK with the strongest currency in the world and one of the largest economies.



I read the article, The so called benefits do not out eight the disadvantages it is just that the EU has a lot of other people money to finance positive studies and books about the eu. That is why it is a lot easier to find positive articles about the EU than the negative ones.

Well that explains it, it's a conspiracy. You forgot to link:

http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Hoax-Paul-Gillebaard/dp/061545576X

 

[anything I don't mind]

Well that explains it, it's a conspiracy. You forgot to link:

http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Hoax-Paul-Gillebaard/dp/061545576X

oh grow up.

Are you even British?

 

[Zethor]

oh grow up.

Are you even British?

A more relevant question is, do you even lift?

 

[anything I don't mind]

A more relevant question is, do you even lift?

You asked for books and articles so i supplied some counter arguments. You dismissed the excellent lecture i posted because "its a youtube video".

Just don't go around claiming that you don't know of any negative consequences of eu membership.

Like its some sort of problem free political union or something? Sounds even more reminiscent of soviet era propaganda than anything else.

 

[robgmun]

oh grow up.

Are you even British?

Regarding his posting history he obviously doesn't see himself as one.

 

[Freakbro]

It's all getting a little bit handbaggy now ladies....play nicely

 

[Zethor]

You asked for books and articles so i supplied some counter arguments. You dismissed the excellent lecture i posted because "its a youtube video".

Just don't go around claiming that you don't know of any negative consequences of eu membership.

Like its some sort of problem free political union or something? Sounds even more reminiscent of soviet era propaganda than anything else.

I didn't ask for books, I asked for studies, scientific papers. Anyone can write a book, make a youtube video, make up numbers, stories.

There are negative consequences, I'm not denying them. The membership costs money (it costs all rich countries money) but the benefits, particularly the long term ones are huge. The Eastern countries have made huge leaps of progress and the EU reforms are the main cause of that. Go over their borders and you find broken countries such as Ukraine and Serbia or authoritarian regimes such as Russia and Belarus. The growth the Eastern countries have seen corelates with the profits made by investors from rich countries, all of which get taxed when the profits are repatriated.

I believe a few percentages out of the UK budget are worth the continent wide peace, prosperity and freedom the EU promotes.

 

[jsmoke]

David Cameron furious and rightly so, good show, and as someone pointed out in here is there any breakdown of where these membership/other fees to the EU actually go, who are these faceless quangos and what do they do with the money given(demanded from) to them from member states, I hope they don't plough it into countries like Greece just so that Greece can buy fancy cars from Germany and hence boost their economy, where do these monies actually go?

 

[Zbornak]

Anyone see the speech the PM just did in Brussels. Great to see him with some backbone and passion for a change. He said "I'm not paying it and if you think I am then you've got another thing coming".

He also said something along the lines "the British taxpayers employ me, they pay my wages - the UK public find it unacceptable and so do I."

 

[LOAM]

I could understand it if it was based on "government income" but to include black market turn over, how is black market income calculated, have all the dealers submitted returns to Europe?

PM was really good just now, clearly irritate but the bottom line is we will pay, just not on Dec 1st

 

[ElliorR]

That's not what he said exactly. He said he would not be paing it in December and never once said he would not pay it. Remember the government signed up to this and when this story is forgotten, it wouldn't surprise me if the bill was paid.

Politicians saying something to appease the masses and going back on that at a later date isn't unheard of.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Well that explains it, it's a conspiracy. You forgot to link:

http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Hoax-Paul-Gillebaard/dp/061545576X

 

[anything I don't mind]

I didn't ask for books, I asked for studies, scientific papers. Anyone can write a book, make a youtube video, make up numbers, stories.

There are negative consequences, I'm not denying them. The membership costs money (it costs all rich countries money) but the benefits, particularly the long term ones are huge. The Eastern countries have made huge leaps of progress and the EU reforms are the main cause of that. Go over their borders and you find broken countries such as Ukraine and Serbia or authoritarian regimes such as Russia and Belarus. The growth the Eastern countries have seen corelates with the profits made by investors from rich countries, all of which get taxed when the profits are repatriated.

I believe a few percentages out of the UK budget are worth the continent wide peace, prosperity and freedom the EU promotes.

It is much more than a few percentage points though. There is a real cost and I am not talking monetary cost, although the monetary cost is also not worth it. The non monetary cost is significant and you would be aware of this if you considered the anti-eu arguments in full.

You think that biased economic help website is scientific study that you can hold up as proof the eu is a net benefit? Do you have any non biased non eu financed studies on your side that live up the criteria you are expecting from the opposing side?

 

[D.P.]

I'll just leave this line highlighted


Fiorilli said that the commission and Eurostat use 1995 as the benchmark year for calculating the impact of GNI figures. “Member states including Britain insisted on this. It is their decision,” he said.

So member states insist on recalculating the GNI since 1995 then when they don't like the answer they start throwing their toys out of the pram....

1995 doesn't seem like recent times what am I missing?

Exactly, Britain had the right and the power prevent the GNI recalculation, change the rules, changes the dates etc. The new set of rules and the retroactive starting date was agreed to by Britian so Brtiain can now pay up what they agreed to pay,which in the scheme of things is tiny compared to the economic benefits.

 

[Raumarik]

That's not what he said exactly. He said he would not be paing it in December and never once said he would not pay it. Remember the government signed up to this and when this story is forgotten, it wouldn't surprise me if the bill was paid.

Politicians saying something to appease the masses and going back on that at a later date isn't unheard of.

You know that if this had been signed in 1997/98 the tories would be crowing about how it wasn't their fault.

 

[ElliorR]

You know that if this had been signed in 1997/98 the tories would be crowing about how it wasn't their fault.

Well that's a given and all parties are guilty of this.

 

[Efour]

rabble rabble and brits will take it on the chin like always because we, sorry you, are bitches.

 

[D.P.]

I could understand it if it was based on "government income" but to include black market turn over, how is black market income calculated, have all the dealers submitted returns to Europe?

PM was really good just now, clearly irritate but the bottom line is we will pay, just not on Dec 1st

In countries like holland prsotitution and legalized drugs are taxed.
Anyway, the illegal activities in other countries can be fairly accurately estimated by defined metrics

 

[D.P.]

It is much more than a few percentage points though. There is a real cost and I am not talking monetary cost, although the monetary cost is also not worth it. The non monetary cost is significant and you would be aware of this if you considered the anti-eu arguments in full.

You think that biased economic help website is scientific study that you can hold up as proof the eu is a net benefit? Do you have any non biased non eu financed studies on your side that live up the criteria you are expecting from the opposing side?

There is also much benefit, not just monetary benefit . The non mo tertiary benefit is significant and you would be aware of this if you considered the pro-EU arguments in full.

See, it is easy to make meaningless statements on the internet!