United States Grand Prix 2014, Austin - Race 17/19

Of course it's not bizarre, they use contracts to design all the time. They'll have to options. Reduce their funding which helps everyone, or fund PU which helps everyone, or design their own bolt one (gear boxes, battery packs etc) which will still leave the rest of the teams better off and closer together.

So no, it really isn't bizarre. It's their choice what they do, no where did I suggest forcing them to do it. I said change the rules to where development has uses outside of F1, helps all teams and impose a mimum cost expenditure, which means you can turn up and compete, without setting a budget cap. Then the big teams can decide what they do. Spend and help a few other midfield teams, or reduce their budget.

And more importantly, late race sounds good. But it's not. all day just waiting...
 
I'm confused by your suggestions. Are you saying engines would be affordable, but that if a team wanted to give their engine maker more money to make it better they could? All F1 teams are customers of their engine suppliers.
 
Yes, but it's not really about engine being affordable. Its about the total cost of a team being affordable.
They need to decide on a minimum budget that can be used to go racing and that if you spend that minimum budget you can race. So that doesn't mean that engines need to be cheaper. They need to work out total costs of everything that needs to be done to go racing, decide which costs can be cut and at what budget new teams would enter at.
And then change the rules to satisfy that criteria, that will absolutely involve restricting aero a lot more.
 
So would a team have to prove they have this theoretical budget before being allowed to enter? Like a new business venture needs to prove its finances before getting a business loan?

In theory that's a sound idea. The issue with Marussia and Caterham is that when they applied they could never have been expected to compete in the formula they ended up in.

But is that their fault, or the FIAs for selecting them?
 
I would say so, they have to go through a selection process (albeit it rubbish atm), there's no minimum spend limit at the moment and I would guess it's almost impossible to decide how much money you actually need. Where if FIA say you need 70million a year(excluding drivers as they are likely to be paid drivers, hopefully from rbr, mclaren, Ferrari young drivers rather than actual pay drivers , as the money needed would be easier to get, but that's probably hopeful thinking and they would still take the most money) to race, and due to rules if you spend that you will be able to race reasonably. Big teams can still spend more money, but where they spend it is limited and is relevant to outside industries. Just as it is atm, but it's in totally the wrong area aka aero.

And totally agreed, they signed up for something that never happened. It should be the other way round, implement and sign off rules then sleet.I think it's still part of both, FIA messed up with the rules, they seemingly choose the worst options and the teams seemed to have underestimated. However both had budgets in excess off what they signed up for. Can't remember which way around but one was 50mill, the other 70mill, so both in excess of the 40mill they signed up for.

Even if the last team got 10mil, that's still a substantial amount if their budget and a miniscule amount from the pot. The pot is so large, the back team could even get 20mil. I mean even assuming 15 teams if it was split equally that would be 60million a team. Not that I think it should be split equally.
 
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Agreed. Its quite frankly boring. Lets talk about motor racing perhaps...texas mercedes massacre tonight feat. Nico rosberg and lewis hamilton :)
 
ive kept out of this thread all weekend due to all the waffle going on.

how much did hamiltons brake temp problem effect his quali?
 
utajoker said:
ive kept out of this thread all weekend due to all the waffle going on.

how much did hamiltons brake temp problem effect his quali?
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I don't think he'd have beaten Rosberg anyway. Rosberg was making up most of the time in the fast esses where there is no heavy braking. Yes Hamilton lost out under braking into the hairpin at the end of the straight, but Rosberg was up on him anyway.

He'll be stronger today though. Give him a fight and if he gets near Rosberg, Rosberg will do his usual and **** it up.

It should be interesting up front, though I fear a snooze fest behind them.
 
This race needs both Mercedes to take each other out*

*a 1st corner incident in which know one gets hurt and provides plenty of hand bags after.
 
Hopefully we get a Bahrain style flat out Mercedes charge all race long. There no reason for either of them to do anything else.
 
Excited to see a decent battle between Ros and Ham (hopefully no reliability issues for either).... Rosberg was soo mighty in qualifying if he can't take the race win then he will be wondering what he has to do.

My prediction is that Ham will have a poor start and be down in 4th or 5th after the first lap... He will fight his way back to 2nd over the course of the race giving Nico an easy pole to flag race.
 
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