Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

[Cosimo]

Is this where one gets recruited to join UKIP?

 

[troops]

Maybe ask David Cameron on Facebook, he seems to have all the answers.

 

[phill1978]

maybe he does...

 

[Freakbro]

So lets be clear here, when you say local GP, do you mean the one in Aus or UK? If UK which GP is it?

He's currently talking about his GP in Australia, but is explaining he has experience of our system too.

It's be a massive step up from the situation now, none of the other parties are even mentioning this.

*cough*

David Cameron promises seven-day GP cover from 8am to 8pm

Keep up

And if we go from None to 7 days a week where is the money coming from for that? At least if you start slowly you can cost it better, if more money come along then you can open 2 days a week, etc

The left needs to learn there's no such thing as a money tree

So, where are the Tories, the 'more right' (since Labour isn't left anyway...), thinking of getting the money from this promise...or do they need to learn there's no such thing as a money tree too?

It's such a silly soundbite, and one that has been explained to you so many times that borrowing on a macro economic scale by countries is nothing like borrowing and budgeting on a household level.

Did you know we have just started again to pay off a debt we incurred for WW1, and consolidated in those bonds was debt from the 18th century

Earlier this week, the UK announced it will repay £218 million ($349 million) from the £2 billion of debt that it incurred during the war. National War Bonds were issued to the public in 1917 to support the effort, funded by widespread patriotic publicity campaigns and an attractive interest rate (both then and now) of 5%.

Ten years later, the bonds were refinanced by Winston Churchill into 4% Consolidated Loans. Facing the huge financial strains of the Great Depression, chancellor Neville Chamberlain used patriotism again to convert some of the “4% Consuls” into perpetual bonds, which give the debtor the right to never pay the principal as long as the interest is paid—which he cut to 3.5%. The government has been paying about £136 million a year to holders of the perpetuals and war loans.

 

[robgmun]

Like i believe a single thing DC says now:

In the meantime on the 1st of Nov we just gave 44 more powers away to the EU

http://www.ukip.org/jill_seymour_me...powers_to_the_european_union_over_the_weekend

 

[Cosimo]

Like i believe a single thing DC says now:

In the meantime on the 1st of Nov we just gave 44 more powers away to the EU

http://www.ukip.org/jill_seymour_me...powers_to_the_european_union_over_the_weekend

She appears to forgotten to tell us exactly what these were so just another pointless sound bite.

 

[robgmun]

She appears to forgotten to tell us exactly what these were so just another pointless sound bite.

For the terminally lazy here's the full list after 2 seconds of googling

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-064-massive-transfer-of-powers-to-the-european-union/

 

[phill1978]

UKIP support the Surveillance state and all its powers to rummage through your business. They also support the stopping of the human rights bill and also corporate hegemony.

I was quite surprised and saddened by this.

Turned me off them

 

[Cosimo]

For the terminally lazy here's the full list after 2 seconds of googling

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-064-massive-transfer-of-powers-to-the-european-union/

Nice propaganda at the beginning but not from the horses mouth.

What a boring list no wonder she didn't include it in her sound bite. One would guess that if all the detail was there most people would probably say who cares.

 

[Tunney]

In the meantime on the 1st of Nov we just gave 44 more powers away to the EU

UKIP and its supporters talk as if the EU is an external power. We are part of Europe. We aren't surrendering anything.

 

[Freakbro]

In the meantime on the 1st of Nov we just gave 44 more powers away to the EU

For the terminally lazy here's the full list after 2 seconds of googling

http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-064-massive-transfer-of-powers-to-the-european-union/

UKIP and its supporters talk as if the EU is an external power. We are part of Europe. We aren't surrendering anything.

So from what I see, most of those areas (not all) were decided by unanimity voting and are now being changed to Qualified Majority Voting, where they are using a different weighting system to member votes and a different threshhold required, namely

The Council adopts a decision when it is approved by at least 55% of Council members comprising of at least 15 of them and representing Member States which include at least 65% of the population of the European Union

Seems sensible to me, what's all the fuss about?

 

[robgmun]

Nice propaganda at the beginning but not from the horses mouth.

What a boring list no wonder she didn't include it in her sound bite. One would guess that if all the detail was there most people would probably say who cares.

If you think the list is unimportant then i feel pity for you, the list contains things like the ability to op out of new laws set by the EU on Border Controls and Civil Protection if we don't like them.

Self determination is a basic human right and we've given it all away to faceless unelected EU bureaucrats who can pass any laws they like without question. You may like it but i and a growing amount of people don't.

Seems sensible to me, what's all the fuss about?

The fuss is that other countries can make laws for the UK that we might not want, how can you not see this isn't a good thing? It's insane

 

[Freakbro]

If you think the list is unimportant then i feel pity for you, the list contains things like the ability to op out of new laws set by the EU on Border Controls and Civil Protection if we don't like them.

Self determination is a basic human right and we've given it all away to faceless unelected EU bureaucrats who can pass any laws they like without question. You may like it but i and a growing amount of people don't.

But a new law would still have to be passed with a majority representative of the Council, and of the population it represents, thats hardly passing any laws they like without question so if there is something we don't like then it's up to us to put a good argument against it and convince others that way.

If it doesn't get stopped then I would go on the assumption it's a policy better for the whole than of any one countries objections on a purely nationalistic basis., which in my mind is a good thing

The fuss is that other countries can make laws for the UK that we might not want, how can you not see this isn't a good thing? It's insane

Because too much policy in every indivdual country is based on short term narrow minded political agenda anyway, which changes like the wind depending on popularity and election years. A larger consensus body making laws for the long term benefit of all sounds a better idea to me.

Comrade

 

[LordSplodge]

... faceless unelected EU bureaucrats who can pass any laws they like without question.

You just broke my hyperbole detector.

 

[Zethor]

Self determination is a basic human right and we've given it all away to faceless unelected EU bureaucrats who can pass any laws they like without question. You may like it but i and a growing amount of people don't.

Let's be honest robgmun, this isn't about basic human rights, it's that certain people you consider to be inadequate (such as Eastern Europeans) have a vote of equal power to yours, a British citizen. As for self determination, let's just all go back to living in tribes/city states, eh?
Furthermore, by your definition, David Cameron is an unelected bureaucrat who can pass any laws he likes..

The fuss is that other countries can make laws for the UK that we might not want, how can you not see this isn't a good thing? It's insane.

There we go, this is what's pestering you and possibly many other UKIP supporters. Those people have the same rights as you do and that's wrong, isn't it?

 

[elmarko]

UKIP support the Surveillance state and all its powers to rummage through your business. They also support the stopping of the human rights bill and also corporate hegemony.

I was quite surprised and saddened by this.

Turned me off them

Really, I thought it was pretty obvious.

The only reason they want to remove the EU influence is that so they can impose considerably worse conditions on the lowest paid workers than they could ever be allowed to at the moment.

Nice propaganda at the beginning but not from the horses mouth.

What a boring list no wonder she didn't include it in her sound bite. One would guess that if all the detail was there most people would probably say who cares.

To be honest details isn't really what they focus on.

More on the immediate knee-jerk reaction.

 

[D.P.]

The fuss is that other countries can make laws for the UK that we might not want, how can you not see this isn't a good thing? It's insane

Firstly, you are wrong. EU member countries can make laws for all EU member countries, not for the UK. Britain being a member of the EU can influence the decision making process for such laws.

Secondly, Britain can do that regardless of being in the EU. The Government can makes rules for Britain that a majority of people don't want.


Thirdly, the Bureaucrats are not unelected. People vote for them, if they didn't vote for UKIP MEPs then Britain would have more power to vote upon such laws by having MEPs that not only turn up to vote but vote in Britain's best interest,not against.

 

[LordSplodge]

Let's be honest robgmun, this isn't about basic human rights, it's that certain people you consider to be inadequate (such as Eastern Europeans) have a vote of equal power to yours, a British citizen.

Next year when my daughter-in-law, who's Polish, votes in the General Election I suspect this will cause Robgmun to have fits of apoplexy.

Bloody Eastern Europeans, coming over here, having a say in shaping the policy all landscape.

 

[sigma]

UKIP support the Surveillance state and all its powers to rummage through your business. They also support the stopping of the human rights bill and also corporate hegemony.

I was quite surprised and saddened by this.

Turned me off them

Thought this was worth quoting again as it'll no doubt be ignored.

 

[Judgeneo]

Thought this was worth quoting again as it'll no doubt be ignored.

Aye, I don't agree with everything about UKIP, I'd vote Pirate if there was a candidate around here.