Quite the opposite for skilled professionals, many industries have a huge shortfall.
Overtime counting towards holidays
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Quite the opposite for skilled professionals, many industries have a huge shortfall.
Some companies provide more than the minimum vacation allowance, some companies pay higher salaries than others. Just because some companies are more generous doesn't mean the other companies should suffer because of that. These companies were following what was believed to be the law.
Quite. If our team worked the standard 8 hour days every day, then we would produce less, or slower, and thus be less valuable and less well reimbursed. If/when I get too tired of it I'll go back to a less intensive job.
Indeed. Less opportunities, less positive reinforcement to clients, less positive experience. Also, the flexibility shown by my employees also has its benefits when my employees need flexibility on behalf of the company. It's a mutually beneficial approach.
yep, I turn up when I want and leave when I want, take doctors appointments when I want, can stop work early and make up the time later in the week or weekend etc.
yep, if you don't like the fact you don't get paid overtime you can quit and get some job elsewhere.
Indeed. I knew that before I signed the employment contract with my current employer. The contract specifically says that my job is completely exempt from paid overtime, and I'm fine with that.
Indeed. I have a senior position within a small development team, which is part of a very large global telecommunications company, and the company has deep pockets, and has spent many tens of thousands of pounds on some very comfortable (some might say lavish) business travel over the last 18 months. One of my colleagues is the same level as me, and we work incredibly hard and do some crazy long weeks. However, we get paid and treated well and are offered other non-cash perks that more-often-than-not make up for the hard slogs.
I've decided that whilst I'm single and young (currently in my late 20s), I'm happy to put in the long hours needed to get the (big) projects done. This earns great recognition (and rewards), including swift career progression. It's totally worth it. When I've had enough of it all, I'll go to somewhere like Google to 'retire'.
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Working longer than a standard 8 hour day does not mean we are working at the same productivity as we were during the standard 8 hour day, we all tend to be less productive per hour worked.
Aren't there studies out there that show countries where 35 hour weeks are standard, employees have better productivity and get more time to spend outside work?
Employers are trying to get us all to work more hours to save on recruiting more, which means more company holiday pay expenditure etc.
My employer has made a point of recruiting many people on part time contracts for nearly ten years (and ceasing to employ on full time contracts), relying on them to want and need the overtime (taking them to very close to, if not exceeding full time contract hours), thereby saving the company most days of the week (in terms of what the company is supposed to do).
Until they reach contracted full time hours for a week, they receive no overtime premium that a full time employee gets the minute they do overtime. Not only that, most bonuses have been set to be based on contract hours, not actual hours done, further discriminating the part timers.
If someone part time puts in the hours of someone contracted full time, week in week out, they deserve to get the same holiday pay as the full timer.
This national company will go into financial meltdown if this working time directive becomes legal and is backdated to 1998, they have relied on taking advantage of employees in a time of financial hardship for most. Karma looks set to be invoked.
The up to 50% Annual salary bonus, higher than average salary, private medical, private doctor, private pension, multiple staff functions and Parking space (in centre of london) all make up for the OT I have to work.
I also get £50 a day on call and while on call 1.5x pay for any time worked over and up to 1 whole hour at a time.
There are many reasons for working unpaid overtime on a regular basis and not all of them are to help my immediate financial situation or because I am being taken for a ride.
That's a doubtful claim. It does depend on what you're doing but, in general, working longer hours does not increase productivity over the long term. That is, if you do a couple of 60-hour weeks you'll probably get more done in those two weeks but if you work 60-hour weeks every week you'll end up degrading your performance to the point that you are achieving nothing more than you would have been in shorter hours.
This is a pretty good article on it.
Whilst that's true, in larger companies such as mine, being seen that you're 'going beyond the call of duty' is often as important, if not more important, as actually doing that. It shows commitment to the cause, the team, the company, etc, and gives more reason why you should be promoted, etc. You often have to play the politics a bit to reach the higher echelons, but that's life.
That's very true. Many companies do have ridiculously toxic cultures about working long hours. As counter-productive and stupid as it is, the perception that people who work extra hours are "committed" and therefore more valuable employees runs deep in many workplaces.
That's one of the reasons I favour legislative responses in this area.
We're already at normal rate!! Bring on the lump sum!
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My overtime rate is less than my normal rate
I would like a lump sum also
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So for those that do regular overtime, or get paid for travelling to & from work. Do we now have to submit a claim to the company we work for, or are they just going to have to pay out?
It's still a long wait, it will go to appeals court first.
Unless you want to lodge your own legal claim.
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None of which are contractually tied to you doing unpaid overtime though. Ergo, you'd still get all those things whether you went home on time or not.
No, I do paid overtime. Yes, I receive a salary
I don't disagree but that is what it is like in many industries. As I said, you know that before you likely ever go to university to study a degree that will land you that kind of job, you certainly know it when you go for an interview.
Although you already proved that 60hours weeks can be beneficial but not when they are consistent, which tend to be the case. I don't work 60 hours a week every week,, more like 40-50 (and that excludes any lunch break) but there are times when 60-70 are needed.
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I'm similar although the salary isn't very high for what I do and the perks are more basic, this is offset form the fact that I work for a startup and have significant stock options. If things pan out correctly then I will be a millionaire in a few years and can retire. Of course the chances of the company making it are slim - 90% of start-ups fail and the 10% that make typically increase share value by 10x.
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