Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

And as for your selective quoting of Andrew Green, hmm, even at £1 a week,they are a net contributor...sounds better than the natives who are on average a net drain, so I'm glad someone is contributing ;)

But as I eluded too in my post, I was fully expecting a rebuttal using the same information to say exactly the opposite.....Lies, damn lies & statistics (and accountancy) :)

Does this report take into account:

- The cost of crime.
- The comparison of what is added and taken away from the NHS.
- The costs of translation and printing in multiple languages.
- The costs incurred by ILLEGAL immigrants.

hummm?
 
Does this report take into account:

- The cost of crime.
- The comparison of what is added and taken away from the NHS.
- The costs of translation and printing in multiple languages.
- The costs incurred by ILLEGAL immigrants.

hummm?

Nice quoting from BBC comments :p
 
The Geezer;27162295 Again anecdotal based arguments when faced with facts[/QUOTE said:
Anecodtal arguments are harder to disprove.

I know you feel the need to stick up for your son and Polish daughter-in-law, but let's try to have a sensible debate about the actual issues eh?

There's no doubt that social cost is hard to pin down and measure, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist though. It's things like pressure on housing, schools, hospitals, changes in culture of an area, increases in people sleeping rough on the streets, and yes I know people don't want to hear it but the negative impact on pay and conditions that comes from a huge increase in the supply of labour.

My lad is a native born Englishman and I feel no need to defend my daughter-in-law but it does give me something a lot of people here may not have and that's the view from the migrant community.

The housing problem has been endemic since Thatcher with Governments failing to meet building targets. Hospitals, again mismanagement of the NHS has been an issue for quite some time, with the managerial heavy slant. As for cultural changes, well that has happened throughout the history of Britain. Not always good as there are certainly some areas where cultures don't integrate but these don't tend to be European.

Again, using my experience with those from Eastern Europe (I know Poles, Latvians, & Hungarians) they have all integrated into the local society and that society has benefited culturally.
 
Does this report take into account:

- The cost of crime.
- The comparison of what is added and taken away from the NHS.
- The costs of translation and printing in multiple languages.
- The costs incurred by ILLEGAL immigrants.

hummm?

1) Not sure, but from how they have accounted for 2 & 3, probably
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Not relevant to the issue

;)
 
1) Not sure, but from how they have accounted for 2 & 3, probably
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Not relevant to the issue

;)

Moreover with 1, it has been shown that immigrants from Europe, specially eastern Europe don't have a significantly different crime rate than British citizens.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ion-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

Since 1995:
  • Immigrants from outside Europe cost £120bn
  • Immigrants from within Europe contributed 4.4Bn
  • British citizens had a net cost of £591bn


So why the heck is anyone who is not racists at all concerned about any kind of migration? Even immigrants from outside Europe are less costly than British Citizens over the same period while European immigrants are net contributors unlike British citizens!

Certainly limiting EU migration would be absolutely absurd and would only have negative consequences. Let alone the fact that immigration in the UK is far less than most western countries, including those European countries that are outside the EU like Switzerland and Norway.
 
I love the way you missed off the really important part there:

" because of the country’s massive deficit."

Changes the whole context.
 
Since 1995:
Immigrants from outside Europe cost £120bn
Immigrants from within Europe contributed 4.4Bn
British citizens had a net cost of £591bn


So why the heck is anyone who is not racists at all concerned about any kind of migration?

Those figures are really bad for non EU immigrants, considering how few of them there are compared to British citizens...
 
Those figures are really bad for non EU immigrants, considering how few of them there are compared to British citizens...

Yes, but as previously pointed out it's all because EU migrants tend to be young, healthy and in work, whereas non-EU migrants mainly came over in the 60s and 70s and so are retired and have health problems associated with old age.
 
I love the way you missed off the really important part there:

" because of the country’s massive deficit."

Changes the whole context.

It doesn't change anything because the same calculations are used for all groups.

Immigrants from Europe paid X in taxes, received Y in benefits and their proportion of running costs is Z. X-Y-Z = 4.4Bn
The same calculation for British citizen is -591Bn

It is a well known fact that a majority of British citizens a a net negative drain receiving more in benefits and incurring more costs than they contribute in taxes. This is normal, people at or below median wage don't pay much tax. The important point being that immigrants are a net positive gain compare to the average British public who are a net average cost
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ion-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

Since 1995:
  • Immigrants from outside Europe cost £120bn
  • Immigrants from within Europe contributed 4.4Bn
  • British citizens had a net cost of £591bn


So why the heck is anyone who is not racists at all concerned about any kind of migration? Even immigrants from outside Europe are less costly than British Citizens over the same period while European immigrants are net contributors unlike British citizens!

Certainly limiting EU migration would be absolutely absurd and would only have negative consequences. Let alone the fact that immigration in the UK is far less than most western countries, including those European countries that are outside the EU like Switzerland and Norway.

So the overall cost of immigration is...........
 
So the overall cost of immigration is...........

less than the cost of British citizens.

moreover, EU immigrants are net contributors so leaving the EU to somehow restrict EU immigration would be a disastrous policy (and may see the UK get more European immigrant just like other non-EU countries like Switzerland and Norway).
 
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