NVIDIA’s Tom Peterson explains 4K resolution and how GeForce GTX is the best choice to power 4K gami

[Kaapstad]

I have had 2 Titans for nearly 2 years and bought the 3rd for a very good price a few months back and I can game at 4K with no issues. I still expect to be saying the same, this time next year.

Is there another GPU other than the 780 6GB that can say the same?

Titans are smoother @4k than 980s or 290Xs.

 

[Gregster]

Titans are smoother @4k than 980s or 290Xs.

Good to know. I was surprised you jumped on the 980 in truth Kaap and thought you might have held out for the bigger variant.

 

[Wizzfizz]

This 4k mania is simply a way of pushing a gaming standard well before it is mature, in order to cash in on the top 0.005% of PC gamer elite who will run out and buy it regardless. It's a little nuts imo.

I agree, it's far to early for me to think about going 4k. Needs to push well over 60fps on one card and monitors need to be 120hz (at least).

 

[Richdog]

I have had 2 Titans for nearly 2 years and bought the 3rd for a very good price a few months back and I can game at 4K with no issues. I still expect to be saying the same, this time next year.

Is there another GPU other than the 780 6GB that can say the same?

Total cost of the initial two new titans, and then the additional third used one was...?

 

[Kaapstad]

Good to know. I was surprised you jumped on the 980 in truth Kaap and thought you might have held out for the bigger variant.

I am the 980s are place holders until the Titans turn up.

In the meantime I am having a bit of fun on the benches.

It is also useful to test the 980s myself @4K as the review sites print a load of garbage sometimes.

I built a green machine so I had to put some green cards in there.

 

[Gregster]

Total cost of the two new titans, and the third used one was...?

What does that matter? Do you know what I earn? Do you know what my Wife earns? Do you know what my outgoings are?

I seriously get frustrated when people feel they have to keep talking about price on an enthusiast forum.

@ Kaap, that does look eipc and very nice bud. What CPU do you have in there?

 

[tommybhoy]

You seriously make no sense at times and I struggle to understand what you are driving at....

Trying to decipher your comment, if I pointed at "one shoe fits all", surely I would have only said Titans? But I didn't now did I, as I also mention 780 6GBs and that is a pair right there. Maybe read before posting nonsense?

Now then, back to what I was saying via 7950s, you can not turn the details up enough to allow 4 7950s to stretch their legs at 4K, as they will clearly run out of VRAM in a number of games and that even includes some older games (Far Cry 3 for instance). You said a pair of 7950s, now if you had watched the video, Tom talks about Pixels per degree of vision and in a typical scenario, you are sat at roughly 20" from your screen and 4K gives you 35.6 of a possible 50 PPD that the human eyes can see, so when people say "But you don't need all that AA because your eyes can't see it", well research has proven that we can and in fact, can see more as well.

So if you bought 2x7950s or even 4x 7950s and play at 4K, you would need to turn the settings down and in turn, this is lowering your gaming visual experience. With Titans/Titan Blacks/780 6GBs/290X 8GBs, you will have enough VRAM to experience 4K at its ultimate setting and using my self as a case point, I want to see the pretties and I don't like to compromise.

These are basics that I thought you would know, as you have been beating the VRAM drum long enough now.

You know exactly what I'm driving at, if you initially said along the lines of 'Titans' and 'longevity' we wouldn't be having this discussion, but no you didn't you implied they weren't expensive when they were/are...

7950's played everything out with H AB@max MSAA on eyefinity/surround including FC3 you must be mistaking them for performing like your previous 2Gb gpu's.

Who was using 4K in the initial Titan/7950 era?

When were you using 4K?

As I said newer gpu's that didn't cost the earth and still worked out (much)CHEAPER came along for 4K, sure you didn't need to upgrade but you paid almost double-that doesn't equate to not very expensive.

Ergo, it was still cheaper to buy/sell/upgrade to go toe to toe with viable tech coming out at that specific time.

Then and now are different, 'longevity' is viable/valid and NOT 'didn't cost the earth'.

 

[Tonester0011]

Cost is irrelevant....
At a guess not much different from Tommy buying 7950s then 290Xs...difference Titan owners paid in one installment rather than splitting between upgrades.

 

[Kaapstad]

What does that matter? Do you know what I earn? Do you know what my Wife earns? Do you know what my outgoings are?

I seriously get frustrated when people feel they have to keep talking about price on an enthusiast forum.

@ Kaap, that does look eipc and very nice bud. What CPU do you have in there?

Thanks.

5960X

 

[Richdog]

What does that matter? Do you know what I earn? Do you know what my Wife earns? Do you know what my outgoings are?

I seriously get frustrated when people feel they have to keep talking about price on an enthusiast forum.

@ Kaap, that does look eipc and very nice bud. What CPU do you have in there?

Im asking because that was the entire point behind the post that you chose to respond to, where I was speaking objectively in terms of cold value, without personal bias. The fact you won't just give the total price when asked shows that you think about it more than you are letting on.

Anyway, I'm guessing it cost you around £1500+ for those GPU's, which would make the 4k gaming return even more grim.

Just because you are on an enthusiast PC forum doesn't mean this kind of thing can't be discussed or has no relevance... not by a long chalk.

 

[whyscotty]

What's expensive for some isn't for others...
The funny thing is, the people who jumped on the titans earlier have the last laugh.

What does that matter? Do you know what I earn? Do you know what my Wife earns? Do you know what my outgoings are?

I seriously get frustrated when people feel they have to keep talking about price on an enthusiast forum.

^^^
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[Gregster]

*snip*

The only thing I could understand from that was Price and relevant... Now where did I say Titan price? I am so sure I said 780 6GB didn't cost the earth... Maybe start reading properly?

This thread is going a bit south now with all this garbage talk of price blah blah, I like how Tom Peterson comes across and like the way nVidia drive the industry forward. All this price talk is a little daft really when we know that PC hardware moves on quicker than any other industry (maybe phones are quicker?)

I got the quote for you again, as you seemed to miss it.

Well in fairness, nVidia were the first to supply enough VRAM to cope with 4K and it didn't cost the earth. The 780 was only marginally behind the Titan and the 6GB variant was more than enough to cope if you went SLI. I do agree with the new cards though and 4GB is very stingy. Maybe they are holding off till AMD release but one thing is for sure, 4K is truly breathtaking for games like Tomb Raider, Assetto Corsa and Batman AO. Not so good for twitch shooters though and that will remain till 120Hz for my liking.

 

[Rusty0611]

Total cost of the initial two new titans, and then the additional third used one was...?

It's all relative though isn't it?

If I was willing to move to the other end of the country I could have accepted a £600 a day contract. So within a week I would have earned enough for 3 Titans at original RRP and had some money left over. Now if I was still using those Titans today... 4 days work for max settings GPUs for 2 years and still going... That represents good value for money to me considering the time taken to earn that money.

Obviously if it takes you (not you personally the third person you) a year to save up the same amount then it probably isn't a good idea to buy 3 Titans.

That's what I mean about it being relative.

Im asking because that was the entire point behind the post that you chose to respond to, where I was speaking objectively in terms of cold value, without personal bias. The fact you won't just give the total price when asked shows that you think about it more than you are letting on.

Anyway, I'm guessing it cost you around £1500+ for those GPU's, which would make the 4k gaming return even more grim.

Just because you are on an enthusiast PC forum doesn't mean this kind of thing can't be discussed or has no relevance... not by a long chalk.

There's no such thing as being objective with regards to a monetary amount. As soon as you attach the word large or big to it then it becomes subjective. Some of the people I've worked with wouldn't even bat an eye lid at spending 1000s on a meal and wine at a London restaurant.

 

[Stanners]

Im asking because that was the entire point behind the post that you chose to respond to, where I was speaking objectively in terms of cold value, without personal bias. The fact you won't just give the total price when asked shows that you think about it more than you are letting on.

Anyway, I'm guessing it cost you around £1500+ for those GPU's, which would make the 4k gaming return even more grim.

But he has not just had 4k gaming from them, he has used them for 2 years(ish)

 

[Richdog]

But he has not just had 4k gaming from them, he has used them for 2 years(ish)

That makes no difference, considering a Titan in its prime cost 2x more than a 780, for far less than 2x the performance. If he didn't get any 4k use out of it, for the outlandish prices of those cards, then it would have only epitomised the point I was making.

I'm not bashing anyone personally for buying then, (though I understand why people get defensive), I am saying that the whole 4k fever is essentially an exercise in futility and horrible value at this stage.

 

[Rusty0611]

'Outlandish' while trying to pretend to make an objective point. There goes your objectivity .

(Not that there was any in the first place)

 

[Tonester0011]

There wasn't a 780 when the titan was released...
Drop it dog, soon you understand price/cost is relative the less cleaning the mods will need to do later

 

[Gregster]

That makes no difference, considering a Titan in its prime cost 2x more than a 780, for far less than 2x the performance. If he didn't get any 4k use out of it, for the outlandish prices of those cards, then it would have only epitomised the point I was making.

So regardless of what I have as spare cash, what should I have done? I am genuinely interested in what other route I could have taken to game at 4K? For the record, I gamed at 5860x1080P and played in 3D surround a lot when I purchased the two Titans.

Genuinely, I am interested in what you think I should have done.

 

[Kaapstad]

That makes no difference, considering a Titan in its prime cost 2x more than a 780, for far less than 2x the performance. If he didn't get any 4k use out of it, for the outlandish prices of those cards, then it would have only epitomised the point I was making.

I'm not bashing anyone personally for buying then, (though I understand why people get defensive), I am saying that the whole 4k fever is essentially an exercise in futility and horrible value at this stage.

There were no GTX 780s around when the Titan launched which rather crushes your argument.

 

[Richdog]

So regardless of what I have as spare cash, what should I have done? I am genuinely interested in what other route I could have taken to game at 4K? For the record, I gamed at 5860x1080P and played in 3D surround a lot when I purchased the two Titans.

Genuinely, I am interested in what you think I should have done.

I am not saying you should have done anything, now would I ever tell you what you should or shouldn't do with your own money, so please stop taking it personally. I am purely looking at this 4k situation from a more cynical and higher industry-level.

There were no GTX 780s around when the Titan launched which rather crushes your argument.

It was a 2 month difference, and really doesn't change anything regarding the price/performance/value aspect which was the focus of my argument.