UK an offended nation

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Pedestrians run on the road quite a lot. You might have noticed. Presumably they should have insurance and pay taxderplol?
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I see the tactic, getting the admission that pedestrians just have to accept risk, and use that to mean cyclists should get away with no insurance for using vehicles on public roads where they can take off a wing mirror as easily as another car could.

It should be obvious that making pedestrians pay insurance is as absurd an idea as having asteroid insurance.

*thinks back at the last time he saw a pedestrian run a red light or fail to give way at a roundabout.....* nope, nothing springs to mind.

Same story cannot be said for motorists or cyclists on the other hand.

I wonder if i built a small electric powered go cart and drove it around on the roads flying out on roundabouts, running red lights and weaving around traffic how long i could go before i was up in court for not having any insurance or mot. (as well as dangerous driving ofc)

Contrary to what opinion may have been put across by me in this thread, i'm not against cyclists, indeed my own dearest mother cycles to work every day, its just i'm of the opinion that any vehicle on the roads should have insurance (yes i know a horse is stretching the term a tad, but i'd class it a vehicle)
 
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Dis86 said:
The fact that you immediately said that he should have made special allowances for him and treat him differently - offering alternatives.
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Perhaps you should double read what I said, I said why not (which you have explained below, no alternatives). If common sense and courtesy is a special allowance then guilty as charged. If I went out with a former alcoholic and I was buying a round, I would ask him if he wanted a coke. If I offered him a beer and he told me he didn't drink, I'd say "no worries fancy a orange juice" etc

Default action is treat everyone the same and equal. If something is not compatible with your lifestyle or beliefs, simply state it. Grown men don't need someone else to rush to their defence.
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Did you see me disagree?


As an aside, I work in a fairly small 'team', there were 5 of us but we recently had a junior engineer join us who is muslim. We'd already organised our Christmas night out for food and the others drinks (I don't drink but don't throw a hissy fit when others do).
I asked the new guy to come along and he immediately (without knowing where we were going) said yes - he wanted to get to know us all better etc. I kinda advised against that since the rest would probably be drunken ***** soon enough but hey ho, kid made his own choice :p
Anyways - I must admit to a bit of racial profiling, guy is from Birmingham but of Pakistani decent (1st gen Brit) and I correctly guessed he is a muslim.
I decided to call ahead to the restaurant we had booked to check if their meat was Halal (the chicken was, beef and other meats not), if they weren't I was going to shift venues - didn't mention it to him beforehand as I hadn't seen him.
What impressed me though was he was willing to go for a meal and to eat the vegetarian options and be around a fair quantity of alcohol and didn't bat an eyelid. He didn't ask for any special treatment. Obviously we were willing to accommodate some. Point is why can't more people be like this?
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What makes you think people aren't? If others choose not to go venue where everyone is drunk, again fair enough no harm done.

Straight away you said my friend should have offered something different.
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As above

Offering him the same caused no harm - and as I said he was thankful for it for being seen as an equal.
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Who said it caused harm?

So again where was I being uppidy?
 
Not all cyclists are offended by it, only stupid cyclists are offended by it. The kind of people who are incapable of understanding what the real meaning of the sign is are offended. It isn't fair to bundle all cyclists into the same basket. However annoying they may be to non-cyclists.

Also you confuse me mags. You have two entirely different personnas on this forum. It is brilliant (sometimes) :p
 
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Participant said:
Pedestrians run on the road quite a lot. You might have noticed. Presumably they should have insurance and pay taxderplol?
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Pedestrians aren't classed as a vehicle, a bicycle is.

willhub said:
Cyclists are not hazards, it's drivers.
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Walk around in London for a few hours, then tell me cyclists aren't a hazard. Only yesterday in fact did a douchebag Bradley Wiggins wannabee almost run me over by running a red light when I was on a pedestrian crossing. Happens all the time.

I'm a cyclist too, the difference being I obey the rules of the road, shame the same can't be said for a lot of other cyclists.

Saying that, I can also indicate properly and use roundabouts correctly whilst driving. Personally I think if you're a good driver, there's a good chance you'll be a good cyclist also. Problem being, the standard of driving in this country is absolutely appalling and it transfers to their ability to ride a bike.

I'm now offended by the thread derailment.
 
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willhub said:
The majority of drivers don't know how to:

A: Use roundabouts
B: Indicate

You know what's ironic, I've not got a driving license OR ever driven a car yet I know how to use roundabouts and indicators more than the majority of the drivers in the UK.
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The majority of cyclists don't know how to:

A: Stop at red lights
B: Wear helmets and lights when dark

You know what's ironic, I've not got a bike yet I know how to stop at red lights and wear a helmet and some lights more than the majority of the cyclists in the UK.
 
adolf hamster said:
The safety issue is non-valid, motorcyclists have barely more protection than cyclists, they need insurance, and they have to follow the rules of the road.
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Cleary you missed the bit about a motorcyclist having a powered engine and thus using the road by license so needs that, VED and insurance.

Horse riders and cyclists both use the road by right, so they actually have more claim on the space than motorised vehicles.

All road users, including pedestrians, need to obey the rules though.
 
McBain said:
Walk around in London for a few hours, then tell me cyclists aren't a hazard. Only yesterday in fact did a douchebag Bradley Wiggins wannabee almost run me over by running a red light when I was on a pedestrian crossing. Happens all the time.

I'm a cyclist too, the difference being I obey the rules of the road, shame the same can't be said for a lot of other cyclists.
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Cyclists in London = Wild West

Anything goes and sometimes even the pavement isn't safe.
 
adolf hamster said:
*thinks back at the last time he saw a pedestrian run a red light or fail to give way at a roundabout.....* nope, nothing springs to mind.

Same story cannot be said for motorists or cyclists on the other hand.


Contrary to what opinion may have been put across by me in this thread, i'm not against cyclists, indeed my own dearest mother cycles to work every day, its just i'm of the opinion that any vehicle on the roads should have insurance (yes i know a horse is stretching the term a tad, but i'd class it a vehicle)
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Prithee, what does having horse riders and cyclists have insurance achieve? Motorists have insurance and that doesn't stop them jumping red lights, does it?

I've witnessed plenty of pedestrians crossing without looking or crossing when the lights are green on a pedestrian crossing. Does this mean they should have insurance too?

McBain said:
Pedestrians aren't classed as a vehicle, a bicycle is.



Walk around in London for a few hours.

I'm a cyclist too, the difference being I obey the rules of the road, shame the same can't be said for a lot of other cyclists.
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Duke said:
The majority of cyclists don't know how to:

A: Stop at red lights
B: Wear helmets and lights when dark

You know what's ironic, I've not got a bike yet I know how to stop at red lights and wear a helmet and some lights more than the majority of the cyclists in the UK.
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I've been a cyclist who decades now and I've witnessed more dangerous driving from motorists than I have cyclists, even in London.

There are some examples of real bad cyclists, and they should know better as the consequences of being involved in collision don't normally end well for the cyclist.

The roads are a shared space and we all need to learn to use it together (I drive as well as cycle) but motorists need to realise that a cyclist is much more vulnerable and treat them as such.

We should look at being like the Netherlands, one of the safest countries in the world for cyclist.
 
I really can't understand how cyclists would get offended by the warning sign on the back of a lorry? It's a warning to stay safe in my eyes and is pretty much the same as the "Watch Your Speed" signs, which are also a warning sign to stay safe and I can't ever see a driver being offended by a Watch Your Speed sign.

People just need to get a grip and just stop being awful and finding things to complain about. Just get on with your life and move on.
 
Sho said:
Well cyclists don't pay any road tax. So they should stay of the roads for starters.

Bloody cyclists....
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Well to my understanding,Cyclists are not suppose to use the footpath unless they are accompanying a child cyclist,So should be using the road.

If we use the footpath otherwise,we can get fined..so what are we suppose to do?

I'm a cyclist..i use the footpath all the time i don't give a crap to be honest..if police ever stopped me il just tell them straight its too dangerous the way they drive around here also the roads are not wide enough in some parts..they can fine me..no Fs would be given.

But i see police all the time and have never been stopped whilst using the footpath.
 
I don't care in the least who is offended. In fact I defend their right to be offended.

I just wish they would bloody keep it to themselves. Being offended is one thing, but expecting that to change anything is completely different.
 
Cyclists are a menace. We all know there are lots of crap drivers around but the percentage of cyclists on the roads that ride around like idiots, ignore the rules and think they can do whatever the hell they want is ridiculous.
 
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