i7-4790K or wait?

[kylew_is_back]

A good review was done on the 5820K recently and it's not recommended at all, If you're in the 2011 market then you should be looking at the 5930K.

it doesn't really make sense, do you have a link?

 

[Dicehunter]

it doesn't really make sense, do you have a link?

Weaker memory controller etc...What ever happened to people just taking info as it is given

 

[abui1806]

^
I agree with the rest of the article but there is one line I disagree. In the conclusion they suggest to buy a dual core CPU for gamer. One does not simply play BF4 (Online) with a dual core CPU though. I have a G3258 @4.2Ghz and it is still unplayable even at low setting (1080p).

 

[kylew_is_back]

Weaker memory controller etc...What ever happened to people just taking info as it is given

for £140 more is just not worth the difference it is practical the same CPU.

 

[Dicehunter]

for £140 more is just not worth the difference it is practical the same CPU.

Watch the review you'll understand then

 

[ALXAndy]

Don't go with the 5820k it's not worth it yet.

In most scenarios the 4790k runs faster, clocks faster and games don't care.

TBH if you want to get the best out of that 970 you could easily do that by going cheaper and getting a 4670k or something.

4790k is overkill IMO so paying for DDR4 is not an option worth considering. They just don't clock as well and the need for 6 cores is still dubious at best.

What motherboard are you using? if it's half decent the FX 6300 would be a decent upgrade for now whilst you decide.

 

[InnocentSam]

Sorry for late reply, and thanks for all the responses!

Having read through them all, there seem to be mixed responses but the general consensus is that permanent-AMD is off the table, 4790k is sufficient for gaming right now and for a couple years, 5820k is good if money is no problem, and Broadwell K is not worth the wait.

So, an update from OP as it were; I want to keep my budget around £400, and have arrived at three options ranging from "safe idea" to "could be stupid", respectively:

Intel i7-4790K
Stock cooler or current cooler (Arctic Cooling Freezer Xtreme, I saved the Intel parts)
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

OR

Intel i5-4690K
Corsair H100i (for overclock)
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

OR

AMD-8350
Corsair H100i or current cooler (Arctic Cooling Freezer Xtreme)
Current motherboard (ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0)

What motherboard are you using? if it's half decent the FX 6300 would be a decent upgrade for now whilst you decide.

ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0, so not amazing afaik.

 

[Fenza]

6 months is a long time, go z97 and get the 4790k!!

My 4790k is overclocked to 4.8GHz with the H100i, Broadwell will have some big boots to fill.

 

[Boomstick777]

A good review was done on the 5820K recently and it's not recommended at all, If you're in the 2011 market then you should be looking at the 5930K.

TTL is hardly an accomplished overclocker, he couldn't get decent OC with that setup...

Every other site said 5820K is easily the pick of the bunch...

I'm running a budget UD4, and can get my 5820K to 4.6Ghz with just an AIO.

5820K or 5960X, the 5930K is an overpriced ginger stepchild, don't be fooled.

I know people will bang on about PCI lanes, yet those same people recommend a 4790K with even less PCI lanes Crazy stuff.

5820K + X99 ftw !! If you have more money to burn 5960X.

Twenty-eight lanes gives you room to run one 16-lane graphics card, two in x8-mode with plenty of connectivity left over, or even three cards on x8 links. And for $50 more than a Core i7-4790K, you get six cores, 15 MB of shared L3 cache, a bit of insulation against the future, four channels of DDR4, and ample PCIe. This time around, I’m going with the Core i7-5820K as my smart choice.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i7-5960x-haswell-e-cpu,3918-15.html

it is the cheaper Core i7 5820K that we find to be the most interesting. For the first time, even the entry level model of the high-end segment is a 6-core chip, which results in this 5820K being some 50% faster than it's predecessor and also quite a bit faster than the Core i7 4790K, which isn't that much cheaper.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/559...k-haswell-e-review-8-cores-at-last-conclusion

I actually think that the entry-level, £299.99 5820K is the best processor in Intel’s current Haswell-E line-up. While the eight-core 5960X is nice, its eye-watering £770 price tag is questionable if money is finite. And I, personally, do not see the requirement to spend £140 more on the 5930K

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/intel-core-i7-5820k-haswell-e-6-core-cpu-review/9/

The most promising member of the three CPUs launched today is the i7-5820K, as now the lowest end CPU for the extreme Intel platform has more cores than the highest member of the mainstream platform, the i7-4790K. We can pick up a low-cost X99 motherboard for the same price as a mid-range Z97 motherboard

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/...view-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/8

The price / performance wise the winner of the three Haswell-E processors being announced today will be the Core i7 5820K. It has six cores, is unlocked, the 28 PCIe Lanes is a tiny bit of a bummer, but on X99 this processor is only going to cost you 389 USD! That one will be seriously interesting as it brings six-core Intel very close to the Core i7 4790K price wise.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_5960x_5930k_and_5820k_processor_review,21.html

Anyway you can lead a horse to water they say lol. Some people can't see a good thing when it's in front of them

 

[GHazy]

I'm with boomstick, yes you may get a few hundred extra mhz with the 4790k but the 5820k when oc'd and the fact you're on the new chipset with more cores it's a better upgrade.

I was sceptical but I'm well impressed with x99 and my 5820k, that's what I would get.

 

[InnocentSam]

But you aren't simply paying for the 5820K though; in my case I would have to buy the new motherboard that supports DDR4, but it sounds so powerful I'd need an aftermarket Intel cooler, as well as the actual DDR4 RAM (which is ludicrously expensive today as opposed to DDR3).

EDIT:

Intel i7-4790K
Stock cooler or current cooler (Arctic Cooling Freezer Xtreme, I saved the Intel parts)
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

OR

Intel i5-4690K
Corsair H100i (for overclock)
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

OR

AMD-8350
Corsair H100i or current cooler (Arctic Cooling Freezer Xtreme)
Current motherboard (ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0)

I'm kind of torn between the i5 and the i7 solutions because, overclocked, the i5 offers similar quad-core/single-core performance. Both solutions cost exactly the same though.

 

[ALXAndy]

ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0, so not amazing afaik.

You'd get around 4.2ghz out of a 8320, which is more than enough for any game.

But of course, it's down to you. Personally I would buy the FX 8320 for around £100, then buy another 970 as it will happily wee on any Intel based system with a single GPU.

 

[InnocentSam]

You'd get around 4.2ghz out of a 8320, which is more than enough for any game.

But of course, it's down to you. Personally I would buy the FX 8320 for around £100, then buy another 970 as it will happily wee on any Intel based system with a single GPU.

This motherboard runs the other PCI-E x16 lane at x4 though, so won't that bottleneck hard? Not to mention buying a new PSU (which I'd prefer not to do, since my current one is still running quite happily; I think it's a 600W?).

I would like it to perform proficiently in the following- but not limited to- cases: console emulation, gaming, video encoding. Unfortunately they don't use PCSX2 as a benchmark for comparing CPUs

But I'd rather spend £400 on a CPU/motherboard combo that I know will kick arse, than £100 on a CPU that might kick arse. That's just me though.

 

[InnocentSam]

Sorry to bump, but just in case anyone gets in this situation again, I went ahead and got:

Intel i7-4790K
Stock cooler
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

And my machine runs very happily at a cool temperature in most games; I've yet to find a game (that I play) that doesn't run at max settings @ 60FPS with the 4790K + GTX 970 combo.

Having had this rig for about 2-3 weeks, I can safely say that unless Intel out something game-changing (which they apparently aren't going to for their next cycle), the 4790K isn't going to bottleneck any GPU or be too slow for any games any time soon.

Cheers for the help!

 

[Doogles]

Hasn't anybody mentioned a FX 8xxx?

 

[Dave2150]

Hasn't anybody mentioned a FX 8xxx?

You won't find many recommending a 2+ year old 32nm AMD cpu here - they are total garbage compared to the Intel CPU's available.

Of course they are cheap, you get what you pay for though.

 

[Dave2150]

Sorry to bump, but just in case anyone gets in this situation again, I went ahead and got:

Intel i7-4790K
Stock cooler
ASRock FATAL1TY Z97X KILLER

And my machine runs very happily at a cool temperature in most games; I've yet to find a game (that I play) that doesn't run at max settings @ 60FPS with the 4790K + GTX 970 combo.

Having had this rig for about 2-3 weeks, I can safely say that unless Intel out something game-changing (which they apparently aren't going to for their next cycle), the 4790K isn't going to bottleneck any GPU or be too slow for any games any time soon.

Cheers for the help!

Glad your happy with your purchase, should last you many years

 

[jakesnake]

Luckily! I ordered the i7-4790k on a sunday night once apon a time. I then realised what I had done and how stupid I was. I was buying another quadcore and more ddr3 memory. WHY? I already had an i7 950 and ddr3 memory WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING!!!!!!! This is not a proper upgrade!

As soon as ocuk opened that Monday morning I rang them up and changed to X99 5820k DDR4. Phew! "that was a close call" I said to the guy on the phone. He giggled and said "yes it was sir, nice, you know your stuff"

the way I see it, for new comers its either i5 4690k as bang for buck based system and "significant" savings, or just go the extra £ and X99 up your life. Buying the 4790k, you just should have shot yourself 6 times in the chest. to me its no mans land, no real money savings over X99 and no real gain in power and potential over a standard quadcore and memory.

Aww well, another one bites the dust. Intel are laughing at you and your recommended incremental upgrades. you know who you are.

 

[MasterOC]

You won't find many recommending a 2+ year old 32nm AMD cpu here - they are total garbage compared to the Intel CPU's available.

Of course they are cheap, you get what you pay for though.

There's plenty of benches in senarios that say otherwise .. I wouldn't recommend one due to the aging chipset , not the CPU .if you Pile on two high end cards and run any non standard res ( 1440p , 4k ) they'll keep up with any Chip from intels mainstream z97 platform at a fraction of the cost , equaling a bigger GPU budget .





Glad you chose the 5820k , better platform , usually longer lifespan then the mainstream platform , and whilst you maybe buying expensive DDR4 now , you can rest easy knowing 2 - 3 years down the line you could buy double the capacity for the same price .

Expense is what you get for living on the enthusiast platform , but overtime it pays for itself if you do a little more then gaming

 

[FredFlint]

Another option to consider,

If you have enough funds for 4790K, it's worth spending an extra few quid and getting a 5820K, you get 50% more cores / threads than the 4790K for an extra £20. You won't need to delid it either. DDR4 has now dropped well under £200 for 16GB fast ram, similarly priced to the same speed as the higher speed DDR3 16GB kits. X99 mobo's can be found for £150+.

Would highly recommend X99 + 5820K, I've run 4770K and 4790K, 5820K + X99 is the way forward.

+1.