Brazilian Grand Prix 2014, São Paulo - Race 18/19

rubberduck said:
In a different age (no KERS and DRS) Rosberg would have already won the WDC on account of having less DNFs.
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You need to remember that under the old points scoring system (90s and earlier) a driver can drop a result or two from each half of the season depending on the number of races. This instantly widens the gap between Hamilton and Rosberg.

However, we're where we are and I don't believe for a second that Hamilton has dominated Rosberg, but I think he's shown that he has much better race craft than Rosberg, and that if the Mercedes wasn't so dominant (IE a guaranteed 1-2 in the absence of mechanical issues) then it's also likely the points gap would be wider. Although in all likelihood would Hamilton have come through the pack as strongly as he did? Doubtful.
 
rubberduck said:
100% agree... As much as I am a Hamilton fan if he doesn't win the WDC this year the guy is a bit of a joke if I am being honest with myself... Should have won the WDC 2007... cocked it up... should have won the WDC in 2010 (a 4th in Italy and Singapore i.e the position he was in when he damaged his car making overtakes would have guaranteed it)... Should have won the WDC in 2014 but got pipped at the post by Rosberg. Where do the excuses stop?

Lets face it Hamilton could/should be a 4 time champion but there is a real possibility at the end of this season he will still be a 1-time champion...

As for people saying he has 'blown Rosberg away'... This is pretty much BS... Rosberg has been more dominate in terms of qualifying pace while Hamilton has has held the advantage on race... The difference between them is very slight. In a different age (no KERS and DRS) Rosberg would have already won the WDC on account of having less DNFs.

People need to wake up and realise Hamilton 'ain't all that'.... If he clinches the WDC in Abu Dhabi then great... If he doesn't then he is the perennial loser (typical Brit)... A guy who has had 4 chances at the WDC and only made it happen once... Rosberg on the other hand will be 1 for 1. Just think about that!
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So...2007, 2010, 2012. Where does that put Alonso?
 
Yet you're saying Hamilton 'isn't all that' yet Alonso has had just has many chances since 2007 to clinch more WDCs but hasn't. So I guess you think Alonso 'isn't all that' too?
 
Skyboat said:
Yet you're saying Hamilton 'isn't all that' yet Alonso has had just has many chances since 2007 to clinch more WDCs but hasn't. So I guess you think Alonso 'isn't all that' too?
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Exactly. I remember an interview with Alonso where basically he said that he expects to normally make 2-3 mistakes per season. If you haven't done that then you've probably not been racing hard enough or have had too easy a time in the championship.

The 2010 season was a tough one too. It was the season where Vettel was dubbed the crash kid, and Alonso made a series of high profile errors. But it was also a season where they all had to fight tooth and nail in the pack at various points in the season, and some had to do this more than others.

That year Hamilton was by far the most reliable of the championship contenders and was probably the best driver that season, so it's a terrible example to use of Hamilton failing.
 
There have been over 800 drivers in F1. Only 105 have won a GP and only 32 have won the title.

WOah :o
 
Marvin said:
and that if the Mercedes wasn't so dominant (IE a guaranteed 1-2 in the absence of mechanical issues) then it's also likely the points gap would be wider. Although in all likelihood would Hamilton have come through the pack as strongly as he did? Doubtful.
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That's a good point actually and one I didn't consider when I said Hamilton had suffered with such a dominant car because no one could split them as team mates to help take points out of rosberg. Equally Hamilton would have lost far more points with those recovery drives as he wouldn't have got through the pack. I'd wager both those cars could have started from the back and ended up first and second especially at the start of the year.
 
smr said:
There have been over 800 drivers in F1. Only 105 have won a GP and only 32 have won the title.

WOah :o
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I like this tidbit too...

In the 64 year history of Formula 1, 164 teams have existed. Today, including Caterham and Marussia, 11 survive. 153 teams have thus failed within that time period. That’s an average of a little over two teams (2.390) failing each season.
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Hamilton will 100% NOT finish that last race that's for certain. Hes been long overdue a DNF and it will come on the last race.
 
smr said:
pretty sure that's what i was thinking of as well ha :p

can you find it dm?
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Not sure I can find it, it was that race and that corner, but almost everything happened at that hairpin in the race. I am about 90% sure it was Kimi and Alonso, it may not have been Hamilton diving up the inside but then after a pitstop Hamilton may have passed those two at some other point.

Unfortunately I couldn't see it in a highlights video, I remember in the race they didn't really mention it despite maybe being the best piece of driving in the race.
 
Guerrilla said:
I like this tidbit too...
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But pretty meaningless, as teams came and went and half the time didn't even qualify. So if you look at just what is more modern f1, it's no where near two a year. It also includes buy outs, which I don't really consider a team leaving, as it's still on the grid, just owned by new people.
 
just watched a re-run, not upto date with posts in this thread... do you think Williams's long stop with 'seatbelt issues' for Bottas was the team securing 3rd for Massa?
 
Guerrilla said:
I like this tidbit too...
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It would be interesting to see if those teams that "failed" was Brawn, Jordan, Tyrell, etc etc or if all 153 have really completely gone out of business.

I suspect its a bit of lazy journalism and the numbers arent really that high

Glaucus said:
But pretty meaningless, as teams came and went and half the time didn't even qualify. So if you look at just what is more modern f1, it's no where near two a year. It also includes buy outs, which I don't really consider a team leaving, as it's still on the grid, just owned by new people.
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You put the same idea much better

cainer said:
just watched a re-run, not upto date with posts in this thread... do you think Williams's long stop with 'seatbelt issues' for Bottas was the team securing 3rd for Massa?
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That early in the race - I cant imagine they would risk losing so many points when Massa could still get an issue before the end and Williams are still chasing 3rd place arent they? They would have killed for a 3rd and 4th place if they could get it
 
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Locky said:
Hamilton will 100% NOT finish that last race that's for certain. Hes been long overdue a DNF and it will come on the last race.
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..and then Rosberg, being the sportsman he is, pulls over and parks it because he doesn't want to win the championship that way.

Right? Right?!
 
MooMoo444 said:
..and then Rosberg, being the sportsman he is, pulls over and parks it because he doesn't want to win the championship that way.

Right? Right?!
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NOPE :D Rosberg will drive past Lewis with his middle finger held high.

I expect a default win doe Rosberg. It's just going to happen...
 
Locky said:
might just do that. But let's be honest it's written in the stars.
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So basically you just hope he wins and are frightened of jinxing it. I'm going for Pastor to take Lewis out when being lapped.

MooMoo444 said:
..and then Rosberg, being the sportsman he is, pulls over and parks it because he doesn't want to win the championship that way.

Right? Right?!
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Yep Lightning Mcqueen Style, he's going to push him over the start finish line.
 
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