Typo, I think it's clear I know who murph is considering the first line, or did you skip over that,
A lot of your posts are bursting with "typos" which can make them incredibly hard to read. You really should put more effort in.
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A lot of your posts are bursting with "typos" which can make them incredibly hard to read. You really should put more effort in.
Jumped on you? I thought you were "perfectly in control" but if you honestly thought someone engaging in a discussion was 'jumping on you' then that's hardly the mindset of someone in control.
You're baiting for further information but I don't know what additional information you need over what I'd already explained about my understanding.
So if we're to believe that love is an element that transcends dimensions then that serves as a brilliant tool for these trans-dimentional beings to influence and hence guide the characters into making the correct decisions. Like I'd mentioned before;
- specifically influencing Murph to seek her room for messages
- influencing the specific astronaut trained to choose the correct planet (Amelia) to travel to the correct planet
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I'd definitely agree with you trentlad. It's was a powerful film about love. So much so the scene where they showed the 23 years worth of messages. I teared up, and I'm usually devoid of emotion as a human being. It was a powerful tool to remind them, though it has been 23 years, they need to make what they do count, for those they love back home. And a big message to us the viewer that time so precious and don't let it slip, because what you think can be minutes, ends up being years, and we never end up living in the moment with those that make life worth living.
I was lucky enough to view this at a 70mm IMAX, which is seven stories high and has speakers behind the screen. It's ridiculous.
The picture didn't seem blury to me at all however there were two occasions where the music was a tad too loud resulting in me missing several lines of dialogue. Other than that it was great and very loud.
I think the word "love" is being misused here...the film wasn't about "love" but human emotional connection. Emotional connection to each other as individuals and as a species and about humanities emotional need to expand itself. The narrative is absolutely teeming with references to this concept. It underpins the entire message of exploration and survival.
Essentially, distilled into a sound-bite, 'sometimes it's how we feel that leads us to the truth'.
We are more than just a series of scientific explanations, sometimes things are not meant to be explained or understood, just experienced and felt.
Essentially, distilled into a sound-bite, 'sometimes it's how we feel that leads us to the truth'.
We are more than just a series of scientific explanations, sometimes things are not meant to be explained or understood, just experienced and felt.
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I didn't realise there was a wrong or right answer here. The whole concept of a theory is it's potential to be correct rather than being solid fact.
What did Murph's scientific approach have to do with her recognising that her father was sending her messages and to visit the room at that specific moment in time?
Amelia was denied her original choice. Her ability to make the correct decision was revoked, but she was specifically trained to be the astronaut to make that decision. If Cooper hadn't suspected the connection between her and Edmunds then he wouldn't have interfered with the element (love) that was being used to guide them to the correct decision.
Right, having seen it, now I understand why this film is so marmite.
For the record I thought it was stunning from start to finish - 9.5/10.
My only problem is
Nicely said.
Depending on people's beliefs some may think it utter nonsense, others may absolutely love the metaphysical/spiritual angle on the story.
For the record I agree with you of Love being a central theme along with other things that were unmentioned but can be inferred - soul (it was inferred that "they" were "us", life in higher dimensions that can influence our dimensions and so on.
In fact, my point of view is they could have pushed the metaphysical themes even further instead of holding back as in most stories - seems filmmakers are not willing to push those boundaries. Understandable when you don't want to alienate most of your audience because they may not like it!
Internet forum is not the place to discuss this kind of thing unless you love being ridiculed.
For the record I agree with you of Love being a central theme along with other things that were unmentioned but can be inferred - soul (it was inferred that "they" were "us", life in higher dimensions that can influence our dimensions and so on.
In fact, my point of view is they could have pushed the metaphysical themes even further instead of holding back as in most stories - seems filmmakers are not willing to push those boundaries. Understandable when you don't want to alienate most of your audience because they may not like it!
For the record I thought it was stunning from start to finish - 9.5/10.
My only problem is
I didn't quite like that at the very end it means that we've literally left Earth behind, which is kind of disappointing. Saved the people maybe, but not saved the Earth. This doesn't sit well with me because my belief is that while we can dream of many things, humans are designed to live and learn on the Earth
Nicely said.
Theory now is it? I thought you laughed at me, and said I was wrong.
It had everything to do with it, she only discovered the messages thanks to scientific approach.
She didn't go into the room when needed. the tezaract was built and cooper only played with the "images" when she was in the room.
Again love is a big part of the film. Your live being an element transcending time etc, is in no way vital to the film and cause zero choice to be made.
I don't think it matter when she visited the room, he was in a space lacking time. All he had to do was find the one time she happen to visit her room in later life when she could understand the message meaning in a scientific way. It happened to be logic if anything and sheer luck she noticed the watch hand ticking irratically.
I don't think Amelia was using love as a correct decision, I think she just made up a load of spiel to get what she wanted. Which is why I wonder why people are seeing it as some sort of working theory, in a science based film.
Castiel's right that maybe people are over thinking that aspect.
Tnh I'm tired of waffling on about a film, I didn't give a great deal of credit to anyway. I'm out!!
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How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not accusing you of anything. It's a civil conversation about our interpretation/theory of a fictional film. Seriously, you need to settle down mate.
I completely agree with the Tesseract's ability to exist at any point in time so that cleanly answers the specific time of interaction. I can also understand what you mean by her scientific approach to noting down each instance but I don't see how that would cause her to regonise it was her father. To me it was the recognition of her father's love that made her choose to actually engage again, because she had previously chose to move on and hadn't even wanted to enter her old bedroom for decades.
Don't you think my point about Amelia makes sense?
I completely agree with the Tesseract's ability to exist at any point in time so that cleanly answers the specific time of interaction. I can also understand what you mean by her scientific approach to noting down each instance but I don't see how that would cause her to regonise it was her father. To me it was the recognition of her father's love that made her choose to actually engage again, because she had previously chose to move on and hadn't even wanted to enter her old bedroom for decades.
Don't you think my point about Amelia makes sense?
I don't think she was consciously using it either. I think besides her training and obvious abilities to choose a sustainable planet, she couldn't help but be influenced by that love.
She gets handed her old boxes, takes it back up stairs. She doesn't get some random call from some mumbo jumbo love thing and go back to the room.
Just like she doesn't discover messages from love, just like no one makes choices from some mumbo jumbo transcending love. It all makes sense without that talk and the few other refrences, the film does not need it and it takes away from the science aspect.
I agree, that doesn't takeaway I feel like they have tried to include a rubbish love theory. And doesn't takeaway that others actually think it's an integral part that makes sense.
I think that neither of you are going to agree on your interpretations of that particular part of the film.
As far as Amelia's decision making is concerned, from my perspective she was making a decision based on two aspects, one was that the data supported the validity of the Edmund's Planet and she was willing to take the chance on that choice due to her emotional connection to Edmund himself. It is how humanity works...the other two had no such connection to Edmund, but had a connection to humanity back home so choose the closer Mann's Planet both because of the more favourable data (which turns out to be faked) and the need to return home. They are scientists and will use empirical data in their choices, we had two viable choices based on empirical data one closer than the other both with consequences, and two different decisions based on the emotional connections and aspirations of the two principles. Cooper wanted to get home to his children, Amelia wanted to reunite with Edmunds. This influences (to different degrees) their decision making. This is how we all decide things, even scientists.
Also just to clarify something, there were several markers in the movie to suggest Amelia's connection to Edmund, prior to the choice...it wasn't 'shoehorned in', there were several subtle references as well as one glaring one prior to the conversation Cooper had with TARS.
Not sure if we are still using spoiler tags, but just in case.
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