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AMD : Public Mantle SDK Coming This Year – Nvidia And Intel Can Use It For Free

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andybird123 said:
Nope, people were saying that it is very unlikely nvidia or even intel would bother with mantle while AMD are the sole arbitors, Amd giving access does not make it open, Directx is proprietary to MS, allowing use of something licence free does not actually make it open, Unless amd hand off control to a third party, mantle isnt open
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Something I have been wondering, maybe they can't give it to a working group because that would lay bare their trade secrets in GCN?
 
Tuck? I think you mean took.
are you ignoring the fact that the xbox one's close to metal APIwas codeveloped between MS and Amd?
AMD obviously wanted to push forward mantle with MS even knowing that it wasnt ready, AMD's side of the story is that MS flat out refused, MS say they always planned a new version of DX, just not on AMD's timescale, which looking at all the problems AMD have had with mantle I can quite see why :D
 
andybird123 said:
Nope, people were saying that it is very unlikely nvidia or even intel would bother with mantle while AMD are the sole arbitors, Amd giving access does not make it open, Directx is proprietary to MS, allowing use of something licence free does not actually make it open, Unless amd hand off control to a third party, mantle isnt open
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There are many meanings of open standard, and being arbitrary about them is rather silly.

Some people take it to mean something is free to implement and extend, but that simply doesn't apply to an api. Every dev, every gpu maker, or Bob from marketing can take it and make a new version, how would support work for that?

DX isn't open not because of fee's, not because MS own it(basically all software is owned by someone), it's about the use of it. You are NOT allowed to use DX on Linux, you actually can't use DX without paying for Windows, so it's both a fee to the user and to the developer(the sdk is free but effectively free to windows users.. so free if you paid for windows).

Having someone in control and developing the software doesn't preclude something being open. In the case of a graphics api you simply can't, for an industry to plan for the future and make compatible games, just let anyone control the development. But there is also a high chance for AMD to pass this off to an independent group in the future.... how independent these groups really are is another matter entirely. Khronos has Intel, AMd, Nvidia involved in it.


AS for what the Nvidia guys said, you're simply talking rubbish, you're implying that both arguments are mutually exclusive and they didn't make one they made the other.

Nvidia guys were using BOTH arguments, they were very very loud about the fact that AMD would not open it up for Nvidia/Intel to use, most/all Nvidia guys used that argument. They ALSO(not instead of) said even if they did Nvidia wouldn't use it.
 
andybird123 said:
Tuck? I think you mean took.
are you ignoring the fact that the xbox one's close to metal APIwas codeveloped between MS and Amd?
AMD obviously wanted to push forward mantle with MS even knowing that it wasnt ready, AMD's side of the story is that MS flat out refused, MS say they always planned a new version of DX, just not on AMD's timescale, which looking at all the problems AMD have had with mantle I can quite see why :D
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Xbox one doesn't even use DX12 yet... And yes I am saying DX12 is the inner works from Mantle.
Huddy seems a very genuine guy and I fully trust what he saying is true.. Why would he lie??

What is the point in bring that up in the show? He already said that Mantle will be open to everyone to use this year.. Its not like he trying to take from MS is it? Already pointed out he is very excited for DX12 and AMD will fully support the API...

So why say it? I know because its the truth... You not going to believe it because you dont want to.
 
shankly1985 said:
Huddy seems a very genuine guy and I fully trust what he saying is true.. Why would he lie??
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The Gods has spoken Mantle is the Godsend api tool for gamers worldwide.
It allows a better gaming experience than nvidia can give you.
Its so good your sleep improves, your reflexes improves in fps games.
Mantle the nectar of the Gods sent with freesync.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I despair for people who take PR guff as gospel.
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Mantle gets launched,

Nvidia guys "it won't be open, AMD suck, blah blah blah"

AMD guys "it likely will be open, AMD have a history of making things open and it's been implied it will be open"

Nvidia guys "show me a link to who has specified it will be open, you're lying, it's rubbish, it won't be open"

AMD figured head makes announcement Mantle will be license fee free, available to all and Nvidia/Intel free to make drivers for it

Nvidia guys " I despair for people who believe in pr guff"


Nvidia guys "I want proof from someone at AMD.... I refuse to believe proof from someone at AMD."

Mantle will get launched, it will have all the legalise in a readme file or whatever confirming the other guys are free to use it, Intel will make a driver for it, Nvidia won't......

Nvidia guys "it's still not true, Intel supported it because AMD paid them to, no really, AMD sent Verne Troyer to Nvidia headquarters to demand one billion dollars to license Mantle".

Imagine my surprise, true surprise that you, Lampchop and Andy are in here saying how either, you never said it wouldn't be open, it's still not true or, the classic admitting you're wrong post "you posted it in the wrong place"
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Mantle gets launched,

Nvidia guys "it won't be open, AMD suck, blah blah blah"

AMD guys "it likely will be open, AMD have a history of making things open and it's been implied it will be open"

Nvidia guys "show me a link to who has specified it will be open, you're lying, it's rubbish, it won't be open"

AMD figured head makes announcement Mantle will be license free, available to all and Nvidia/Intel free to make drivers for it

Nvidia guys " I despair for people who believe in pr guff"



I want proof from someone at AMD.... I refuse to believe proof from someone at AMD.

Imagine my surprise, true surprise that you, Lampchop and Andy are in here saying how either, you never said it wouldn't be open, it's still not true or, the classic admitting your wrong post "you posted it in the wrong place"
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+1
 
drunkenmaster said:
Mantle gets launched,

Nvidia guys "it won't be open, AMD suck, blah blah blah"

AMD guys "it likely will be open, AMD have a history of making things open and it's been implied it will be open"

Nvidia guys "show me a link to who has specified it will be open, you're lying, it's rubbish, it won't be open"

AMD figured head makes announcement Mantle will be license fee free, available to all and Nvidia/Intel free to make drivers for it

Nvidia guys " I despair for people who believe in pr guff"


I want proof from someone at AMD.... I refuse to believe proof from someone at AMD.

Imagine my surprise, true surprise that you, Lampchop and Andy are in here saying how either, you never said it wouldn't be open, it's still not true or, the classic admitting your wrong post "you posted it in the wrong place"
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Thanks for mentioning me but I have said nothing of the sort. I have always said Nvidia would never use it and thats all I have said.
 
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