Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

[humbug]

Meh.. ^^^ Nvidia convention.

An article about 28nm FD-SOI and Cadence (design support partner):

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/3701-fd-soi-20nm-performance-28nm-cost.html



AMD a customer of Cadence: http://community.cadence.com/cadenc...ers-partners-outline-challenges-and-successes

Global Foundries' involvement:

http://www.st.com/web/en/press/c2720

They are looking to bring it down to 14nm, as the first link also states. So that would allow a full shrink to compete against Maxwell's 16FF+ @ TSMC, when the time comes.


edit: after saying all that I just found this link: http://deepchip.com/items/0538-10.html

I have not been paid to say these things! Wish I was! LOLZORDS

Information over load

Its difficult to work anything from that, i spent a bit of time trying to disentangle everything that you posted there and i can't say that i'm any wiser, your last link is full of small quotes that don't seem to relate at all, is what your showing us buried in amongst those quotes somewhere?

Please be a bit more specific, all that is is pages upon pages up on pages of random data.

 

[Nexus18]

Yup exactly, seen LOADS of threads since the 980/970 release with people having issues, driver issues, coil whine, black screens too etc. etc. and not just here but on other forums too, iirc there is a pretty big thread on the nvidia forums about the black screening.

I have owned a 4850, 7850 and now a 290 and I have only had 2 serious issues, one with the 7850, which was easily fixed by upping the power limit to 20% and a current one with my 290 where sometimes the PC will freeze and restart, however, this issue is completely random as it can happen at any time regardless of what I am doing on the PC, if anything.... It has been a few months now since I had this issue so I am guessing it is something else on my build and not the 290.

Before that I also had a nvidia GPU and didn't have any "serious" issues, just minor niggles but then you get that with every GPU.

Also, I am noticing lately that nvidia users are the ones that are having problems with some games, not AMD users i.e. when dead rising 3 came out, it was crashing every 10-15 min for nvidia users and they had to roll back drivers for it to be stable.

EDIT: Even you are having issues i.e. your nvidia GPU's, the stuttering when using 2+ GPU's where as AMD users aren't having the same problems with 2+ GPU's


PS.

No point saying "as much as I wanted to say AMD" as we all clearly know you don't mean that

 

[Gregster]

You only need to look at these forums as of late to see that this is not the case at least gpu wise. I think AMD moved along with the r9 series apart from the awful cooler and the black screens which effect them massively sales wise. Then we have NV with coil whine and not so great multi card performance yet record sales. Nvidia on build quality and drivers seem to have taken a step back with the 9 series. There reputation does not seem to suffer from there mistakes the way amd does.

Well, I will have to take the people whom I spoke with at their word. I was really shocked to see that kind of feedback and I was expecting things to be much better for the red team since reading these forums and seeing how AMD have progressed.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Well, I will have to take the people whom I spoke with at their word. I was really shocked to see that kind of feedback and I was expecting things to be much better for the red team since reading these forums and seeing how AMD have progressed.

Surely with the experience that most have on these forums you would also have to take them more serious. The majority of people i know don't have a clue with college kids included. Please tell me you were not at the college sporting a green and white shirt with the nvidia logo lol.

 

[StriderX]

Cryptocurrency isn't as hot as it once was, nor do GPUs even offer the performance anymore...which arguably was one of the reasons AMD did well previously

 

[Nexus18]

Surely with the experience that most have on these forums you would also have to take them more serious. The majority of people i know don't have a clue with college kids included.

Exactly!

Majority of people I know don't have a clue about setting windows etc. up correctly and always have issues (regardless of GPU etc. brand).

I know someone who is 65+ and is a MASSIVE gamer (probably more so than anyone on this forum) and he has had plenty of GPUs in his years of gaming but now he has vowed to stick with AMD because nvidia always caused issues for him.

So just goes to show, it comes down to the end user and luck in the end.

 

[humbug]

AMD don't lock people out of their GPU's to the same extent Nvidia do, its actually very difficult for someone who does not know what they are doing to do harm to an Nvidia GPU, its relatively easy for a noob to harm an AMD GPU because they don't restrict them in what they can do to it.

Black screens is one example, while some of them do Black Screen without much help from the user a lot of them do it because people go mad overclocking and overvolting them and then blame the GPU when it goes wrong, Nvidia put heavy restrictions on their GPU's to make them noob proof.

 

[andybird123]

Meh.. ^^^ Nvidia convention.



Information over load

Its difficult to work anything from that, i spent a bit of time trying to disentangle everything that you posted there and i can't say that i'm any wiser, your last link is full of small quotes that don't seem to relate at all, is what your showing us buried in amongst those quotes somewhere?

Please be a bit more specific, all that is is pages upon pages up on pages of random data.

There is a report a few lines down saying that they have been paying bloggers to talk up FD-SOI

 

[TheRealDeal]

Exactly!

Majority of people I know don't have a clue about setting windows etc. up correctly and always have issues (regardless of GPU etc. brand).

I know someone who is 65+ and is a MASSIVE gamer (probably more so than anyone on this forum) and he has had plenty of GPUs in his years of gaming but now he has vowed to stick with AMD because nvidia always caused issues for him.

So just goes to show, it comes down to the end user and luck in the end.

+1

 

[Gregster]

Surely with the experience that most have on these forums you would also have to take them more serious. The majority of people i know don't have a clue with college kids included.

Not sure what to say to that really. I asked them questions about what was in their systems and how their systems performed in games and general experience. Not many bothered overclocking the GPU, most overclocked the CPU and wanted to know what they could achieve/what clocks they should be setting 24/7. From a tech point, I would say half knew what they were doing and only a small portion were not very clued up and was looking for general advice on overclocking. It was a great experience anyway and a bit of an eye opener to see such enthusiasm from the younger generation and what surpised me more so, was kids who have been console gamers, wanting to go gaming on a PC for the better GFX (that was quite a common feeling).

Looks like the PC is becoming more and more popular as the gaming choice.

On a lighter note, this young girl has been gaming on a 290X reference for the past few months...

Spoiler

joke

Edit:

Don't shoot the messenger guys and if you are happy, that is all that matters. I am just passing on what I was informed. Sorry if it doesn't fit your thoughts but I was as honest as possible with everyone.

 

[Nexus18]

AMD don't lock people out of their GPU's to the same extent Nvidia do, its actually very difficult for someone who does not know what they are doing to do harm to an Nvidia GPU, its relatively easy for a noob to harm an AMD GPU because they don't restrict them in what they can do to it.

Black screens is one example, while some of them do Black Screen without much help from the user a lot of them do it because people go mad overclocking and overvolting them and then blame the GPU when it goes wrong, Nvidia put heavy restrictions on their GPU's to make them noob proof.

Pretty much like apple and android then

iphone/ios users who get android phones and decide to flash custom ROM's, install crappy apps etc. (when there is no need to) and then encounter issues..... they just blame the phone/android but in reality it is down to their own stupidity!

 

[humbug]

Ya, pretty much ^^^ i prefer Android.

There is a report a few lines down saying that they have been paying bloggers to talk up FD-SOI

Ah... its all a nonsense then

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not sure what to say to that really. I asked them questions about what was in their systems and how their systems performed in games and general experience. Not many bothered overclocking the GPU, most overclocked the CPU and wanted to know what they could achieve/what clocks they should be setting 24/7. From a tech point, I would say half knew what they were doing and only a small portion were not very clued up and was looking for general advice on overclocking. It was a great experience anyway and a bit of an eye opener to see such enthusiasm from the younger generation and what surpised me more so, was kids who have been console gamers, wanting to go gaming on a PC for the better GFX (that was quite a common feeling).

Looks like the PC is becoming more and more popular as the gaming choice.

On a lighter note, this young girl has been gaming on a 290X reference for the past few months...

Spoiler

joke

Actually Greg,since I have gone to a few LANs and talk to a lot of gamers generally out there,I find most at least in the UK are not really biased against AMD or Nvidia when it comes to cards - their choice is more dependent on what guides they read or who is the most geekiest computer person among them.

Even among the nearly 20 or so mates I know who game regularly,I really see very few issues if any.

At some LANs among a few dozen gamers I have seen people have mostly Nvidia cards,at some others mostly AMD ones and so. In fact at one LAN just under two years ago a large percentage were having AMD CPUs,not Intel ones and so on.

With the GeForce GTX 780 Ti we found the peak consistent clock speed on both GPUs went up to 1019MHz while gaming. This is higher than the boost clock on a GTX 780 Ti which is 928MHz. As we posted on the previous page, this seems slightly higher than we've tested in the past. Normally we've seen the GPU hit 1006MHz while gaming, but now it is at 1019MHz with this newest driver. We also noticed the temperature of the GPU was higher, at 87c, versus 84c on previous drivers.

The max temperature of the R9 290X is 90C. Considering the cryprocurrency miners were having no problems with the reference cooler running the cards R9 290X,although they were noisy,it does shows you how much Nvidia seeding cards to reviewers as freebies and asking them to test various ways really helped them. If AMD wants to improve its sales,its not even products which need improving - its is marketing. Nvidia still gained share with Fermi even when vast parts of its range were consuming much more power with little or no performance improvement over the ATI/AMD cards.

 

[mmj_uk]

You only need to look at these forums as of late to see that this is not the case at least gpu wise. I think AMD moved along with the r9 series apart from the awful cooler and the black screens which effect them massively sales wise. Then we have NV with coil whine and not so great multi card performance yet record sales. Nvidia on build quality and drivers seem to have taken a step back with the 9 series. There reputation does not seem to suffer from there mistakes the way amd does.

NVidia's reputation does suffer there is just no real quality alternative, as much as AMD fanboys will argue otherwise they are (and always have been) a much lower quality product as a whole, when you don't just narrowly focus on paper specs/benchmarks. Even in the performance department it's now reached a point where they're having to branch off with their own API just to be able to compete.

People buy Nike trainers because they've had the cheaper brands and weren't happy with them, it's the same principle here except there is no Adidas etc to move to, only Hi-Tech.

 

[Final8y]

AMD don't lock people out of their GPU's to the same extent Nvidia do, its actually very difficult for someone who does not know what they are doing to do harm to an Nvidia GPU, its relatively easy for a noob to harm an AMD GPU because they don't restrict them in what they can do to it.

Black screens is one example, while some of them do Black Screen without much help from the user a lot of them do it because people go mad overclocking and overvolting them and then blame the GPU when it goes wrong, Nvidia put heavy restrictions on their GPU's to make them noob proof.

I was worried about getting black screens when i bought my 3x290, but i had none until i started pushing my CPU overclock again until i got it stable.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Meh,its funny people talk about quality with Nvidia bumpgate and so on. If companies like Sony,Nintendo and MS have been willing to use AMD IP for years,the only people who have quality perception terrors are noobs. All the GPUs are made in the same factories and will be replaced long before any problems will arise.

Not had a problem with any desktop GPU in the last 11 years or so within the first two years(well had a 8800GTS 512MB which died in a SFF PC just after that time),and looking at the every person who I know games,or is a dev,software engineer or works in academia(dozens of people),I rarely have seen GPU problems,let alone people having DOA issues. Its more likely the GPU gets thrown away.

If anything HDDs are the bits which seem to fail the most.

Edit!!

List of desktop GPU failures among about 20 people I know over the last decade:
1.)Gigabyte GTX470
2.)8800GTS 512MB
3.)HD6870 - got magnetic ball bearing stick in PCB
4.)9600GSO - failed voltmodding

 

[humbug]

NVidia's reputation does suffer there is just no real quality alternative, as much as AMD fanboys will argue otherwise they are (and always have been) a much lower quality product as a whole, when you don't just narrowly focus on paper specs/benchmarks.

Explain how AMD are lower quality, there is one very famous bencher around here who says AMD GPU's can handle a lot more volts while Nvidia just go bang without external VRM sets, so its not that.

 

[TheRealDeal]

NVidia's reputation does suffer there is just no real quality alternative, as much as AMD fanboys will argue otherwise they are (and always have been) a much lower quality product as a whole, when you don't just narrowly focus on paper specs/benchmarks. Even in the performance department it's now reached a point where they're having to branch off with their own API just to be able to compete.

People buy Nike trainers because they've had the cheaper brands and weren't happy with them, it's the same principle here except there is no Adidas etc to move to, only Hi-Tech.

 

[Nexus18]

NVidia's reputation does suffer there is just no real quality alternative, as much as AMD fanboys will argue otherwise they are (and always have been) a much lower quality product as a whole, when you don't just narrowly focus on paper specs/benchmarks. Even in the performance department it's now reached a point where they're having to branch off with their own API just to be able to compete.

People buy Nike trainers because they've had the cheaper brands and weren't happy with them, it's the same principle here except there is no Adidas etc to move to, only Hi-Tech.

Are you lambchop's dad?

Literally every single post of yours in this GPU sub forum is always bashing AMD in one way or another. You seem to have a passion for it, either that or just A* trolling.

Oh and you might want to stop using the "AMD fanboys" comment as it is pretty obvious what you are.... so makes your fanboy comment look a bit stupid....

I was worried about getting black screens when i bought my 3x290, but i had none until i started pushing my CPU overclock again until got it stable.

In the search for a fix with my 290 random issues, I have also come across that too, it seems that a lot of the issues always come down to the CPU and voltage/overclock.

Ya, pretty much ^^^ i prefer Android.

Indeed! At the end of the day who wants to be in a closed of garden

 

[TheRealDeal]

Meh,its funny people talk about quality with Nvidia bumpgate and so on. If companies like Sony,Nintendo and MS have been willing to use AMD IP for years,the only people who have quality perception terrors are noobs. All the GPUs are made in the same factories and will be replaced long before any problems will arise.

Not had a problem with any GPU in the last 11 years or so within the first two years(well had a 8800GTS 512MB which died in a SFF PC just after that time),and looking at the every person who I know games,or is a dev,software engineer or works in academia(dozens of people),I rarely have seen GPU problems,let alone people having DOA issues. Its more likely the GPU gets thrown away.

If anything HDDs are the bits which seem to fail the most.

This is because you are doing it properly. I think some people make gaming on a PC seem like such a hardship when tbh it's not particularly hard. To much tweaking tbh. I have friends who encounter a few crashes and end up buying a new build to solve the problem lol. My old PC is still more stable because i don't tweak that much. When it was worth pushing back in the day i could get it to crash no probs but at stock Gpu and 4.0 ghz on the cpu it barely crashes in any game that i have played over the years.