Brazilian Grand Prix 2014, São Paulo - Race 18/19

MooMoo444 said:
What the commentary says is irrelevant, the stewards make the calls.
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Exactly.

Commentators have zero power when it comes to making decisions.
Stewards are the guys in charge. What they say, goes.
Personally, I like the drivers to fight it out amongst themselves. I dont like Stewards. I dont like their punishments. However, I do understand that in 2014, Stewards are part of "new" F1. And the younger audience seem to love the Stewards and their punishments, so I am in the minority.

My take is that I want races to be raced and decided by the drivers. That's what they are paid for. I dont want Stewards to influence or decide the race results.
 
sunama said:
And the younger audience seem to love the Stewards and their punishments
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They love them fine, right up until their favoured driver is the one getting pulled up. Then comes the whining, the moaning and the stamping of petulant feet ;)
 
EVH said:
I'd love to see Hamilton sawing at the wheel, causing an epic lock-up, which in turn means he punts Rosberg off the track. "Totally innocent your honour"...

Watch the Monaco qually again. There's no way that wasn't deliberate :p
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The monaco qualifying is as you say, blatant as hell, I know, under braking he starts turning both directions, something you just wouldn't do in normal circumstances, also a TINY lock up, no reason to back out of the corner and absolutely no reason at all not to park it up as far around the run off as possible, actively reversing onto a live track without being able to see where you're going. That alone should have received a penalty as it's nuts even if you didn't think he purposefully put himself in that situation.
 
The stewards were pretty good at the start of the season, letting drivers race and push each other around. As the season has gone on they've got worse and worse.

JEV's move on Grosjean at CoTA was a great move, just what you want to see, even if it was a bit heavy handed and left Fat John limping home...
 
drunkenmaster said:
The monaco qualifying is as you say, blatant as hell, I know, under braking he starts turning both directions, something you just wouldn't do in normal circumstances, also a TINY lock up, no reason to back out of the corner and absolutely no reason at all not to park it up as far around the run off as possible, actively reversing onto a live track without being able to see where you're going. That alone should have received a penalty as it's nuts even if you didn't think he purposefully put himself in that situation.
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The official rule is that cars must travel in the direction of the race at all times. If you can't do that, you must be retrieved by the stewards. I remember an incident a good many years ago when I think it was Jean Alesi took a penalty when he overshot the pit lane entry by a few yards and backed up to get in; Murray Walker uttered the famous quote "He's reversing backwards, which isn't allowed".
 
JeditOjanen said:
The official rule is that cars must travel in the direction of the race at all times. If you can't do that, you must be retrieved by the stewards. I remember an incident a good many years ago when I think it was Jean Alesi took a penalty when he overshot the pit lane entry by a few yards and backed up to get in; Murray Walker uttered the famous quote "He's reversing backwards, which isn't allowed".
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That's rubbish. Not the ontrack reversing, that could cause chaos, but if that were true no car which went down a runoff area would be allowed to rejoin. They'd still be clearing cars out of St Devote now.
 
On track that is. And pitlane is considered part of the active racetrack. Off track (over the solid white line) then I believe reversing is allowed if it poses no danger to cars or marshals.
 
timmeh said:
The stewards were pretty good at the start of the season, letting drivers race and push each other around. As the season has gone on they've got worse and worse.

JEV's move on Grosjean at CoTA was a great move, just what you want to see, even if it was a bit heavy handed and left Fat John limping home...
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If wasn't just a racing move, that should have been a penalty for sure but they got it wrong and didn't apply it in race. Ultimately it was bad luck that Grosjeans wing damage caused someone else to go out, but it was still JEV's fault. For me though other than being a little reckless going into the corner, which is ill advised but fine IMHO, it was that well around the corner when they were both effectively round the corner and preparing for the next corner Grosjean was alongside Vergne who started to turn right into that corner before he got there completely ignoring Grosjean.

The corner was marginal but I wouldn't have punished it, but after the corner he pushed Grosjean all four wheels off the track, that for me is bad driving and fully deserving a penalty, but that penalty should have been immediate and more than a 5 second penalty. You do not drive people off the track.

Coming out of a corner is one thing, as the car is still turning various lines won't all match up, but they were out of the corner and Vergne simply ignored him. Magnussen got a penalty for not leaving Alonso enough space and even there he left much more room than Vergne.
 
JeditOjanen said:
The official rule is that cars must travel in the direction of the race at all times. If you can't do that, you must be retrieved by the stewards. I remember an incident a good many years ago when I think it was Jean Alesi took a penalty when he overshot the pit lane entry by a few yards and backed up to get in; Murray Walker uttered the famous quote "He's reversing backwards, which isn't allowed".
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MissChief said:
On track that is. And pitlane is considered part of the active racetrack. Off track (over the solid white line) then I believe reversing is allowed if it poses no danger to cars or marshals.
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IMHO I think neither things are particularly relevant here in as much as. The time was up at that point, without any, and I mean any chance of completing another fast lap there is no urgency, there is no reason to re-enter the track. I can understand, potentially, reversing out of that if you had time to get around and complete another fast lap in qualifying or in a race. But when Rosberg made his "error" he both didn't chose to just take the corner and go slowly or get out of the way, potentially pulling over somewhere like the the run off out of the tunnel to be entirely out of the way.

Once you are past the point of participating any longer I think any attempt to rejoin the track where the only possible outcome is impeding other drivers should be a either disqualification from that session or maybe the entire weekend.

But in Rosberg's case it's so obvious to anyone with a brain what he did, it's the completely unsportsmanlike conduct of the act. At the least he should have been DQ'd from qualifying but it's hard to say he shouldn't have been banned from the race based on Schumacher and frankly a need to discourage anyone to cheat qualifying again. Ultimately when a driver benefits from it they may as well do it again in the future.
 
MissChief said:
On track that is. And pitlane is considered part of the active racetrack. Off track (over the solid white line) then I believe reversing is allowed if it poses no danger to cars or marshals.
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Yes. The point is that you cannot reverse to rejoin the track because you would in the process have to reverse on track. You can only reverse into a position where you can rejoin the track by moving forwards.
 
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