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Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

The measurement of how successful marketing is is one thing; sales
On that basis, no AMD arent better at marketing

Take the whole gameworks thing as an example, AMD set out to prove that Nvidia are evil and that gameworks was becoming widespread and unfairly favouring nvidia hardware. Now, to AMD and cohorts that sounds like a great idea, prove nvidia are evil and people will jump ship to AMD. However what you need to remember is that Nvidia have the higher market share, so mostly you are talking to people that already have an nvidia card. So when that person next comes to buy a card, with AMD even telling them that lots of devs use nvidia gameworks which runs better on nvidia hardware, are they going to switch and try unkown amd that theyve heard have problems, or are they going to stick with tried and tested nvidia who even Amd say devs are favouring. The other potential outcome of that debacle is that devs and Nvidia comeout in support of gameworks and AMD just look whiny.

Similarly, AMD publicly announce there will be no more versions of DX, we all knew that wasnt true, MS said it wasnt true and within 6 months there have been 2 new versions of Dx announced. Again AMD look whiny.

AMD publicly say they see their products as competetive, whilst slashing prices and adding a load of free games bundles.

This isnt good marketing, and that is being reflected in sales data.

Nvidia have released a pair of products that are arguably no better really than the equivalent AMD product on the hardware level, yet they are flying off the shelves and even causing a major upwards blip in the whole PC industry. AMD supporters would have you believe that AMDs drivers and support are on par or better than nvidia, however the vast majority of consumers don't believe them, clearly.

Star Citizen just released usage info for the people playing SC to date, the results in a heavily AMD marketed title? AMD represent 26% of the userbase. Considering Amd have been giving away free access to the game, that is stunning.
 
I don't think 95% of PC gamers even bother to look at forums and tech sites where all the dev thing played out ,or even care. Its mainstream media(not the tech media) which is more important.

Yes,AMD marketing needs to better but not in the way people think,as Nvidia marketing has managed to make sure any problems have been buried very well - Apple has done exactly the same. Even with bendy iPhones or ones you need to hold right they are still selling loads of them.

OTH,go into many shops and you will find more Nvidia cards for sale,and this is especially true in many parts of the world where AMD retail presence is very poor.
 
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i think the main problem is many see amd as " budget " brand. nvidia are looked at on the whole as a better brand.

that needs to change.

thing is amd generally comes across as a bit of a joker team messing playing having fun. thats all good for fun but many people want products / business that seems the whole professional complete package.

look at amd marketing it is mainly fun or jokey hey we beat you at this. nvidias is just this is our gpu it works .

its sort of like a scool boy taking digs at the teacher.

i love amd products but marketing leaves a lot to be desired. the products are great .
 
Look at VR for example - I met a person who bought a GTX970 for the Asynchronous Warp function for his Oculus Rift since AMD did not support it.

It appears the R9 290 series has supported it for a while according to the Oculus Rift CEO,but AMD marketing did not big it up in any way.

Even things like Mantle - a lot of people are unaware that it does help with older CPUs(like Core2 quads and the Phenom II X4 and X6)for example,yet AMD should be asking to reviewers to test it in more CPU limited situations too. If it were Nvidia they would be pushing it in reviews.

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Other thoughts too - from what I gather Nvidia also enforces far more stricter guidelines than AMD for reviews too,and they are far more aggressive in showing up any cracks in the competition.

Look at the R9 290/R9 290X launch. Nvidia marketing was proactive enough within a few days to start seeding reviewers free reference R9 290/R9 290X cards and telling them to test the cards in quiet mode to show throttling. Yet,go back a while earlier - three large European tech sites showed throttling issues with reference coolers on certain Nvidia Kepler cards.

What did AMD marketing do?? Nothing.
 
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I think it has more to do with nVidia having their names on more high-profile games. After all if a game starts up and you get the 'nVidia, the way it's meant to be played,' video a casual gamer is more likely to buy their cards than AMD's. Of course that may actually hurt them with their Ubisoft alliance, with all the negative press Ubisoft games are getting and with nVidia's name being plastered over those games too, casual gamers might turn to AMD instead.
 
AMD need a much better marketing team, they do have something that appeal's to those who do buy AMD but fail to communicate it to the masses.

And somewhat separate to that ^^^ look at the way Nvidia present their GPU's compared with how AMD do it it.

Nvidia GTX 980

Features:-
- Voxel Global Illumination Technology (VXGI)
- NVIDIA® Super Resolution technology
- NVIDIA® GameWorks technology
- NVIDIA® GameStream technology
- NVIDIA® TXAA Technology
- NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
- NVIDIA PhysX® Technology
- NVIDIA FXAA Technology
- NVIDIA Adaptive Vertical Sync
- NVIDIA Surround
- Support for four concurrent displays including: Two dual-link DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort 1.2
- Microsoft DirectX 12
- NVIDIA® 3D Vision® Ready
- NVIDIA SLI® Ready Technology
- NVIDIA CUDA® technology
- PCI Express 3.0 support
- OpenGL 4.4 support
- OpenCL support
- NVIDIA SHIELD Ready
- NVIDIA G-Sync Ready

AMD R9 290X

- DirectX 11.2 Support
- Open GL 4.2 Support
- Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio support
- Crossfire Support upto 4-way: Native software crossfire (No bridge required)
- Gaming @ 4k Resolutions (UltraHD)
- Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)
- Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture - optimized from previous generation products


See the difference in how thats done, when people shop around for products they look at features, even if they don't understand what it is they are reading if they see a huge list of features ending in this and that "Technology" its the one they go for.

AMD also have their own Direct Compute Lighting, Shading, AA, Hair, Colour / Texture render acceleration, Recording / Streaming Decoders......
And yet don't make a point in advertising any of it.

And look at this "Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)" Consoles? Consoles?!?!?! I don't want a Console.
Most of us know what AMD are trying to say with that, the other 90% reading that don't know what Mantle is and get very much the wrong impression from reading that.

This is what it should say;
"AMD Mantle: Revolutionary new API which can boost CPU performance in supported Games"

Oh really???? My CPU is not that good, i might need that.

Get a grip on your marketing AMD.
 
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AMD need a much better marketing team, they do have something that appeal's to those who do buy AMD but fail to communicate it to the masses.

And somewhat separate to that ^^^ look at the way Nvidia present their GPU's compared with how AMD do it it.

Nvidia GTX 980

Features:-
- Voxel Global Illumination Technology (VXGI)
- NVIDIA® Super Resolution technology
- NVIDIA® GameWorks technology
- NVIDIA® GameStream technology
- NVIDIA® TXAA Technology
- NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
- NVIDIA PhysX® Technology
- NVIDIA FXAA Technology
- NVIDIA Adaptive Vertical Sync
- NVIDIA Surround
- Support for four concurrent displays including: Two dual-link DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort 1.2
- Microsoft DirectX 12
- NVIDIA® 3D Vision® Ready
- NVIDIA SLI® Ready Technology
- NVIDIA CUDA® technology
- PCI Express 3.0 support
- OpenGL 4.4 support
- OpenCL support
- NVIDIA SHIELD Ready
- NVIDIA G-Sync Ready

AMD R9 290X

- DirectX 11.2 Support
- Open GL 4.2 Support
- Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio support
- Crossfire Support upto 4-way: Native software crossfire (No bridge required)
- Gaming @ 4k Resolutions (UltraHD)
- Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)
- Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture - optimized from previous generation products


See the difference in how thats done, when people shop around for products they look at features, even if they don't understand what it is they are reading if they see a huge list of features ending in this and that "Technology" its the one they go for.

AMD also have their own Direct Compute Lighting, Shading, AA, Hair, Colour / Texture render acceleration, Recording / Streaming Decoders......
And yet don't make a point in advertising any of it.

And look at this "Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)" Consoles? Consoles?!?!?! I don't want a Console.
Most of us know what AMD are trying to say with that, the other 90% reading that don't know what Mantle is and get very much the wrong impression from reading that.

This is what it should say;
"AMD Mantle: Revolutionary new API which can boost CPU performance in supported Games"

Oh really???? My CPU is not that good, i might need that.

Get a grip on your marketing AMD.

+1
 
- I have never said you were a fanboy of a particular brand, just a fanboy of whatever you own at said time i.e. whatever you own is the absolute best and nothing comes close, a bit like what rusty said about almighty the other day and how he is when he moves from one brand/gpu to the other, has the 290's = bashes nvidia and his cards can't be beat then moves to 970's = bashes AMD and his cards can't be beat

At least that is how it comes across to me. So others feel free to disagree.

- my point about marketing/advertising has got nothing to do with AMD VS nvidia, my point was "purely" about your wording "good products and good advertising sell well", it isn't as simple as you make out for various reasons (I have already gone over these points so no point repeating them)

Except I don't bash either camp, and how can someone be a fanboy of whatever they buy.. Doesn't that just mean they enjoy what they buy? Why would someone buy things they don't enjoy? :D

Just reads like you got a problem with me bud tbh, you never did clarify what your point was, just reads as personal to me. You got a problem with my posting style or whatever. That's fine though.

I always give honest opinions on what I buy, I'm not biased either way. When this 8GB MSI Radeon turns up I'll give an honest opinion on that as well. Doesn't mean my old Titan Black or current GTX 980 is any less awesome. When you're not a fanboy you can enjoy trying all the tech :D

Anyway peace man, take it easy and much love :)
 
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I didn't say you bashed either side, I was referring to almighty and what rusty said about how "he chops and changes his mind depending on what he owns at the time" and that it reminded me of you in some ways.

I have no problem with you, perhaps you could just say that it is your "posting style".

But anyway, we have both made our points more than once now so lets just leave it at this:

Anyway peace man, take it easy and much love

:)
 
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There's loads of different ways you can get crashes/issues with complex systems. My two favourites ones from recent memory are the following:

1) MSI Afterburner overclocking causes bluescreens every 2 days on my MSI(?!) 6850 and 7850. Substituted for Trixx and the problem goes away even with the same level of OC. The recording still works though!

2) Game crashes caused by Speedfan not playing nice with ASUS motherboard fan control. Replaced with ASUS fan control tool and the problem went away. This was a fun one to track down, the mere fact that Speedfan was loaded would cause this.

3) Experiencing stuttering in some games. Solved by updating sound card drivers to latest to resolve DPC latency bug present in drivers from the install disk (protip - never install drivers from the disk always download the latest!).

All of those 3 things could easily be assumed to be a graphics card problem but absolutely weren't.
 
AMD need a much better marketing team, they do have something that appeal's to those who do buy AMD but fail to communicate it to the masses.

And somewhat separate to that ^^^ look at the way Nvidia present their GPU's compared with how AMD do it it.

Nvidia GTX 980

Features:-
- Voxel Global Illumination Technology (VXGI)
- NVIDIA® Super Resolution technology
- NVIDIA® GameWorks technology
- NVIDIA® GameStream technology
- NVIDIA® TXAA Technology
- NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
- NVIDIA PhysX® Technology
- NVIDIA FXAA Technology
- NVIDIA Adaptive Vertical Sync
- NVIDIA Surround
- Support for four concurrent displays including: Two dual-link DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort 1.2
- Microsoft DirectX 12
- NVIDIA® 3D Vision® Ready
- NVIDIA SLI® Ready Technology
- NVIDIA CUDA® technology
- PCI Express 3.0 support
- OpenGL 4.4 support
- OpenCL support
- NVIDIA SHIELD Ready
- NVIDIA G-Sync Ready

AMD R9 290X

- DirectX 11.2 Support
- Open GL 4.2 Support
- Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio support
- Crossfire Support upto 4-way: Native software crossfire (No bridge required)
- Gaming @ 4k Resolutions (UltraHD)
- Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)
- Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture - optimized from previous generation products


See the difference in how thats done, when people shop around for products they look at features, even if they don't understand what it is they are reading if they see a huge list of features ending in this and that "Technology" its the one they go for.

AMD also have their own Direct Compute Lighting, Shading, AA, Hair, Colour / Texture render acceleration, Recording / Streaming Decoders......
And yet don't make a point in advertising any of it.

And look at this "Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)" Consoles? Consoles?!?!?! I don't want a Console.
Most of us know what AMD are trying to say with that, the other 90% reading that don't know what Mantle is and get very much the wrong impression from reading that.

This is what it should say;
"AMD Mantle: Revolutionary new API which can boost CPU performance in supported Games"

Oh really???? My CPU is not that good, i might need that.

Get a grip on your marketing AMD.

Very nicely put humbug.

Of course this effects the uniformed buyer, for the next tier up you have the slightly informed buyer, the guy who might read the odd tech site and skim over the news that they all list up. of course lately what they see is quite a lot of PR from that charismatic chap Mr Huddy, which in itself if fine, except when he keeps misspeaking as AMD put it.
He has had the habit of saying things that turn of to need a retraction from AMD and this is of course what the news sites pick up on. So Mr average slightly informed Joe will be browsing his chosen tech news site and see things like. AMD say blah, shortly followed by AMD retract blah. Not good.

Then you have us , the rather well informed buyer. We generally know what is what and (quite frequently :)) argue about it here on these very forums. we will watch the video interviews and read the articles. We know that both sides produce good products and its all about the way they are marketed. Hence this currant discussion.

You notice that Nvidia generally only every say, ' we cant comment on other manufacturers hardware but ours will do blah blah and blah'.

I think Andy, cat and humbug are quite right, AMD need to sort out their marketing and get with the programme. (and maybe stop trying so hard to have a go at the opposition, of late which seems to keep backfireing.)
 
They do need to take much more care in what they do say, or not say it in the first place ^^^ yes.
 
AMD need a much better marketing team, they do have something that appeal's to those who do buy AMD but fail to communicate it to the masses.

And somewhat separate to that ^^^ look at the way Nvidia present their GPU's compared with how AMD do it it.

Nvidia GTX 980

Features:-
- Voxel Global Illumination Technology (VXGI)
- NVIDIA® Super Resolution technology
- NVIDIA® GameWorks technology
- NVIDIA® GameStream technology
- NVIDIA® TXAA Technology
- NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0
- NVIDIA PhysX® Technology
- NVIDIA FXAA Technology
- NVIDIA Adaptive Vertical Sync
- NVIDIA Surround
- Support for four concurrent displays including: Two dual-link DVI, HDMI and DisplayPort 1.2
- Microsoft DirectX 12
- NVIDIA® 3D Vision® Ready
- NVIDIA SLI® Ready Technology
- NVIDIA CUDA® technology
- PCI Express 3.0 support
- OpenGL 4.4 support
- OpenCL support
- NVIDIA SHIELD Ready
- NVIDIA G-Sync Ready

AMD R9 290X

- DirectX 11.2 Support
- Open GL 4.2 Support
- Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio support
- Crossfire Support upto 4-way: Native software crossfire (No bridge required)
- Gaming @ 4k Resolutions (UltraHD)
- Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)
- Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture - optimized from previous generation products


See the difference in how thats done, when people shop around for products they look at features, even if they don't understand what it is they are reading if they see a huge list of features ending in this and that "Technology" its the one they go for.

AMD also have their own Direct Compute Lighting, Shading, AA, Hair, Colour / Texture render acceleration, Recording / Streaming Decoders......
And yet don't make a point in advertising any of it.

And look at this "Synergy with next-gen game consoles (Mantle)" Consoles? Consoles?!?!?! I don't want a Console.
Most of us know what AMD are trying to say with that, the other 90% reading that don't know what Mantle is and get very much the wrong impression from reading that.

This is what it should say;
"AMD Mantle: Revolutionary new API which can boost CPU performance in supported Games"

Oh really???? My CPU is not that good, i might need that.

Get a grip on your marketing AMD.

Good spot Humbug and a very very good point. AMD certainly could do with better marketing and these things are picked up by the neutral I guess.
 
I can see it now :p

Head of marketing ;)

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