All PC Gamers Are Pirates Says Ubisoft Executive

It's just as well that their opinion is worthless :p.

I doubt they're getting as much as 15 for a copy, however they will have received more than just monetary compensation for their game promo.
 
Martini1991 said:
Ubisoft will have lost out in their opinion as only 1 key exists to the 2 they want to exist.

Simple?
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The first guy wouldn't have bought the game though. They have already been paid for the code in question. And less of the condescending tone, I get what you are saying, I just tend to think companies look at gross profit rather than individual sales.
 
I frequently have the debate of piracy with a friend of mine and have done so for many years.

He's a full on Jack Sparrow. Where as I never do. (I did pirate games once upon a time back when my entire games catalogue resided on a C90 cassette tape, but I was a nipper at school back then. :o )

The debate has certainly evolved over the years and unfortunately I find myself more and more empathetic to his jolly roger stance. Rushed releases, questionable review score motives, no refunds, review pre-release blackouts, no demos are only some of many reasons to support a view of a poorly customer focused and unethical gaming industry.

However it still doesn't for me mean piracy is the correct, ethical way forward. Therefore I still have chosen not to become a pirate.

My solution requires discipline. Never pre-order, always wait for users views after a game has released and take industry driven reviews with a large pinch of cynicism. Wait until any issues reported have been patched. And that SLi drivers are as good as they'll ever be. Let the dust settle on a new release. By that time the game is probably at a far more reasonable price and your risk is far less and the gaming experience far better with hopefully any bugs minimised.

In short, stay behind the curve.
 
Heisenberg said:
The first guy wouldn't have bought the game though. They have already been paid for the code in question. And less of the condescending tone, I get what you are saying, I just tend to think companies look at gross profit rather than individual sales.
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You don't seem to be getting at what I'm saying though.
 
Any reason you can come up with, any justification for what you do doesn't matter.

It is illegal to download licensed software/media. If a friend copies you a music CD or burns you a disc from itunes their breaking the law.

I would suggest if you can't make a decision based on reviews that you find a better source of reviews.
 
Everyone who says I am not purchasing a game until:

DRM is removed
Single player campaigns increased in length.

We had that and guess what, games were still pirated.

If you do not like something, do not consume it, simple really.

We have DRM free sources now and those DRM free versions end up being pirated. MADNESS.
 
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I'm all for cracking down on piracy, but consumers need more protections in exchange. At present, games companies seem to be able to do whatever they please. They can 'enhance' trailers and pre-release gameplay demonstrations, manipulate the gaming press and release unfinished, broken products on to the marketplace. The end result is consumers getting products that fall way short of expectations with no possibility of obtaining a refund. This is happening so often now that it's difficult to not see it as a deliberate attempt to con customers. It's an abuse of the trust laid upon the industry through their Consumer Contracts Regulations exemption.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Everyone who says I am not purchasing a game until:

DRM is removed
Single player campaigns increased in length.

We had that and guess what, games were still pirated.

If you do not like something, do not consume it, simple really.
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I wish I had your black and white view of the world.
 
satchef1 said:
I'm all for cracking down on piracy, but consumers need more protections in exchange. At present, games companies seem to be able to do whatever they please. They can 'enhance' trailers and pre-release gameplay demonstrations, manipulate the gaming press and release unfinished, broken products on to the marketplace. The end result is consumers getting products that fall way short of expectations with no possibility of obtaining a refund. This is happening so often now that it's difficult to not see it as a deliberate attempt to con customers. It's an abuse of the trust laid upon the industry through their Consumer Contracts Regulations exemption.
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Excellent points.
 
satchef1 said:
I'm all for cracking down on piracy, but consumers need more protections in exchange. At present, games companies seem to be able to do whatever they please. They can 'enhance' trailers and pre-release gameplay demonstrations, manipulate the gaming press and release unfinished, broken products on to the marketplace. The end result is consumers getting products that fall way short of expectations with no possibility of obtaining a refund. This is happening so often now that it's difficult to not see it as a deliberate attempt to con customers. It's an abuse of the trust laid upon the industry through their Consumer Contracts Regulations exemption.
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Basically exactly what I was going to say.

I have never pirated a game, but I will pay as little as I possibly can for a game that I can not get a refund on, and don't really own anyway.
 
Martini1991 said:
It's Ubisofts stance though.
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i have already explained why I don't believe ubi are losing out due to there deal with nvidia. You also believe buying a cheap game code is worse than pirating a game, and justify it by saying, well people who pirate would buy the game if they liked it lol. Aye, just like the guy who steals from a supermarket would return and pay for his bottle of lucazade if he liked it.
 
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Bigbud said:
Any reason you can come up with, any justification for what you do doesn't matter.

It is illegal to download licensed software/media. If a friend copies you a music CD or burns you a disc from itunes their breaking the law.

I would suggest if you can't make a decision based on reviews that you find a better source of reviews.
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While factually correct, your point is a poor one. Fundamentally, piracy is a crime, but that doesn't mean there isn't a deeper debate as to the various reasons behind it. People pirate for a plethora of reasons. The fastest and most effective way to get people to stop pirating is to look at the individual's reasons for doing it and attempting to address them. Reminding people that it's illegal has precisely zero positive effect.
 
Heisenberg said:
You really don't come across well. Oi have already explained why I don't believe ubi are losing out due to there deal with nvidia. You also believe buying a cheap game code is worse than pirating a game, and justify it by saying, well people who pirate would buy the game if they liked it lol. Aye, just like the guy who steals from a supermarket would return and pay for his bottle of lucazade if he liked it.
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Their deal with Nvidia won't be anywhere near the RRP of the game.

You're reading my posts, and seemingly making crazy links and coming to crazy conclusions. None of which I've actually said.
If I had to comment on who's coming across well, you certainly wouldn't be a candidate :p
 
Martini1991 said:
I wish I had your black and white view of the world.
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It is not.

We know publishers are scumbags, we know they want our money by any means possible.

So why do so many rush out on the basis of press reviews and purchase a game to then be disappointed.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

It is easier nowadays to find out what a game is like before purchasing than EVER before so the "I will try it before I buy it" stance falls down.

Demos were made in years gone by as they helped publicity/word of mouth.

Gamers over hype things themselves, demos for AAA titles are a waste of money (In the eyes of publishers, they serve no purpose).

The pirates will always pirate, regardless.

Although it is funny that pirates spend lots of money on a nice rig to then assume they have a right to play whatever they like without paying, just because they "can".
 
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Nobody actually knows how much Nvidia paid to Ubisoft for their games to be bundles with the GPU's.

Pulling random numbers of £10 and £15 out of your arse doesn't really help anyone. Obviously they will be discounted as they bought in bulk but the only people that really know are the people who did the deal and some people in accounts.
 
VincentHanna said:
Nobody actually knows how much Nvidia paid to Ubisoft for their games to be bundles with the GPU's.

Pulling random numbers of £10 and £15 out of your arse doesn't really help anyone. Obviously they will be discounted as they bought in bulk but the only people that really know are the people who did the deal and some people in accounts.
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Exactly, and the point I made was that in no way, would they be so heavily discounted that the dev wouldn't be making a profit. However you look t it, piracy is illegal, selling or buying a game code isn't.
 
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