Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?
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I seem to remember my forebears fighting a couple of wars to ensure that we weren't governed by ethnic Germans.
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Because they were German? Or were there other mitigating factors do you think?
Doesn't matter what nationality they are, Britain should be governed by British people.
Well, our PM is too white to be of British ancestry (excluding scots, natural British have a more Mediterranean skin tone as borne by most ethnic Welsh and western English) he looks to be of French/German/Scandinavian descent.
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How do you feel about naturalised Brits?
Yet you earlier criticised of a study assessing the pros / cons of immigration on the basis that it didn't consider illegal immigrants.
That doesn't mean you are racist, but it shows the extent you will go to support your own agenda.
He doesn't ask anything! he just goes on like his talking to himself a bit of "you talk a lot but say nothing"
Ask a direct question don't waffle on and maybe..just maybe someone can work out what the hell von wants to know.
It's a fact we do no more trade with the EU then when we did before. But now we can't setup trade deals with the common wealth.
Immigration is ok as long as they give before they take. I.E 10 years before anyone gets a thing.
Immigrants must be able to fund them selves and have a job and housing to live in.
If any of the immigrant's do a serious crime before the 10 years probation is up then they are thrown out with out question.
All immigrants must have full health insurance for the 10 years. Failure to do so will mean they will be thrown out.
Any rule the EU makes I want a vote on it. The EU can't pass laws on myself or other British people.
Any Immigrants that has a conviction of any sort will not be allowed to enter the UK.
There are loads more I'd like to see. Oh and I had to do all this when I went to the USA
so not hard.
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The difference that five years residency and a citizenship test can make.
Almost every sentence in that post contains a question.
Are you sure about that or was it something you just picked up from UKIP material? Do you want to google it up first before I burn that strawman for you?
Same rules for all Brits abroad? Same rules for young Brits in UK or just foreigners in UK? All foreigners in UK or just EU migrants?
Asking you, personally to vote on every rule EU makes wouldn't work, you don't read fast enough to make informed decision on every proposal from 28 countries daily. I don't mean it as a pejorative jest - I mean it literally - the volume would be too large for anyone with full time job (which I presume you hold) to do it. But you recently elected people to the voting on your behalf. They are called MEPs. Keep in mind, that if they don't go to work (like Nigel, currently doing rounds in media instead of being at work), it means they are not making those votes for you and not guarding your interests.
They don't, not without participation and agreement from your government. They never have. Read up about it.
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More like waffle ask something, more waffle
It's a known fact..hold on you do know what you're talking about and checked up on facts before you post?
And more waffle. What part of immigrant's coming to the UK don't you understand?
I was just telling you that have done it, so it can't be that hard, can it
They've been doing it in the USA for about 100 years and it works just fine.
Really. From the Lords
"The House of Commons Library warned that “there is no totally accurate, rational or useful way of calculating the percentage of national laws based on or influenced by the EU.”
http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/RP10-62.pdf here is 59 pages of what's what.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587
so its not a racist party but members are 'individuals' and may hold 'their own' racist opinions ? That's basically what the American said...
So..... UKIP just have a higher amount of dick heads supporting them ?
i agree.
And the Tory Party has a higher amount of ex-BNP members, Labour and Libdems have links to pedophilia. Hum, stones and green houses come to mind
Four paragraphs and couple of single lines = waffle? I'm sorry I couldn't fit it in 140 characters but then again, we are not on twitter, we participate in discussion using discussion board. The character of the media dictates use of full sentences and fair share of personal commentary. If I'm guilty of overusing both, I can only apologise.
I can ask the same questions without polemics, will you challenge them with answers? Waffle is welcome, but please, no evasive or "because I said so" answers?
- When UKIP supporters say "everything is wrong about EU" (quote from this thread)? What exactly do they mean. What is particularly wrong with it. Give us at least few examples based on facts.
- When UKIP supporters say EU laws are "imposed on Britain". What do you mean? Can you give us few examples of laws made by EU that British government really didn't want to adopt but were forced to accept? And as an extension - which law "imposed" by EU was the real "deal breaker" for you? As in - if you had to pick one, most terrible, damaging, catastrophic law Britain has to abide by, worth leaving 27 countries for - what would it be?
- Following UKIP rhetoric - what job positions were stolen from Brits by EU migrants. Any example of a factory, location or position affecting masses of unemployed people where Brits weren't given a chance or couldn't apply for will do.
- Why is UKIP's immigration policy set selectively against EU migrants, even though EU migration only accounts for minority of immigration in Britain?
- UK has currently one of the lower immigration percentages per capita among economically leading countries (both continent wise and globally). Why then do you, personally, feel immigration and immigration control is the number one problem in Britain today?
- UKIP manifesto contains postulates such as "UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) and will not be part of European Union (EU)". While maintaining free trade with Europe. Historically such deal would be unprecedented. What steps to date (if any) were taken by leaders of UKIP to assure general public that bilateral Free Trade Agreement of that kind is even possible and does any UKIP material contain details of terms or long terms projections regarding such agreement?
Britain does trade more with EU than it used to (values adjusted to current money).
It also receives more investment from EU than ever before:
How far into the past would we need to go with the graphs?
Britain can set up deals with Commonwealth countries. How do we know this - because we already discussed it and someone used the picture below in one of the UKIP threads. And you were voicing your concerns there, in that thread. Look how pretty, full and round India, Australia and other Commonwealth countries look in there (for countries that UK is not allowed to trade with by evil EU)...
And more waffle. What part of immigrant's coming to the UK don't you understand?
I was just telling you that have done it, so it can't be that hard, can it
But what about British people living in EU. Would you accept identical terms imposed by other countries on them?
They have referendums about all rules and legislations in USA?
Based and influenced. Modelled on. Not imposed or forced upon or even "passed on yourself by EU"?
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Yes, if the quota was anything like we have to suffer.
If we setup proper trade agreements with India and China, within a few years, with their rate of growth, the exports to those two countries could top what we export to most of the EU.
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"Suffer" is a strong word, it implies damage or harm. Aren't the numbers pretty balanced as well - around 2 million of Britons live in EU, a bit over 2 million EU migrants work in UK?
UK has bilateral trade agreements with both, you can't complain on lack of Chinese products or Indian investments in UK? You can export, import, most of stuff shipped from China doesn't even go through VAT valuation (see eBay or amazon). FTA is trickier, as far as I know China always insists on FTA to come with movement of workers. They like to build and manage with their own forces. Australia under Abbott recently courted Korea and China for FTA deal, judging by the headlines it didn't work out too well for local workforce. I'm sure we have someone local to oz on the forum to comment on that.
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Another cracking post v0n, it's a shame regardless of the facts you present in this thread it will not eradicate the phobia 'some' people have.
It's been 2 weeks since one of them said they would respond
It's been 2 weeks since one of them said they would respond
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Yes, but the EU is 28 countries, whereas the UK is just one.
If you showed me the stats of how much British migrants cost the EU countries they live in and the cost that we suffer from the 2 million EU migrants, I reckon I could guess how how the balance of costs would pan out.
EU migrants are currently at 2.2billion surplus to economy, according to just few pages ago?