Toyota unveils first hydrogen-powered car called Mirai

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Toyota has unveiled the first mass-market hydrogen fuel cell car, which will start selling in Japan next month and in the US and Europe in 2015.

The four-door sedan, called the Mirai, which means future in Japanese, will emit only water vapor, but it’s not cheap at 6.7 million yen ($57,000). It’s designed for a niche market and Toyota is only expecting to sell 400 of them next year.
Although by the end of 2017, Toyota hopes to have sold 3,000 of them in the US and about 100 per year in Europe.

Toyota, the world’s biggest carmaker, is hoping to make “tens of thousands” of units over the next decade.

The Mirai will be capable of travelling up to 650 kilometers without refueling, three times further than a traditional electric car, while its hydrogen tanks can be filled up in a few minutes like petrol or diesel vehicles so there is no need for a lengthy recharging of batteries. The vehicle emits no exhaust fumes, although fossil fuels are used to produce hydrogen and then to compress it.

Mitsushisa Kato, executive vice president of Toyota, said that Mirai marks a milestone in motoring technology.
Mirai symbolizes two major innovations. First, this is an innovative way to solve global environmental and energy problems... and second, this innovation will help usher in a hydrogen-based society," he said at a presentation in Tokyo on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda said in a video message on the company’s website: “We are at a turning point in the automotive industry.”

Fuel cells cars like the Mirai are powered by hydrogen and oxygen and produce only water vapor as a byproduct.

It is the Japanese that are the world leaders in the green car sector, including Honda and Nissan. The country’s seven car manufacturers are reportedly planning to spend up to $24 billion in research in the field this year alone.

Honda, one of Toyota’s biggest rivals, also aims to launch a commercial fuel cell vehicle in March 2016. Honda already makes the FCX Clarity, a fuel cell car produced on a small scale for a few markets.
Toyota says it will attempt to bring the price down for hydrogen-powered vehicles and up the number of hydrogen refueling stations to 100 next year. At the moment there only a few dozen hydrogen filling stations in the world, found in developed countries.

Toyota already produces the fast-selling and successful Prius, a petrol-electric hybrid, which has already sold over 3 million units since its introduction in 1997.

“It was a big challenge when we first introduced the Prius, or hybrid car, in 1997. And it’s an even bigger challenge this time because there is no infrastructure, and we’re trying to lead,” said Yoshikazu Tanaku, the deputy chief engineer for Toyota’s next generation vehicle department, The Guardian reported.
 
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Why bother, there's no infrastructure and that's not going to change. Mean while electric infrastructure continues to rapidly grow. On top of that hydrogen is expensive to produce, hard to transport and hard to store.
 
Why bother, there's no infrastructure and that's not going to change. Mean while electric infrastructure continues to rapidly grow. On top of that hydrogen is expensive to produce, hard to transport and hard to store.

They should have hired you as a consultant.
 
[TW]Fox;27230969 said:
They should have hired you as a consultant.

He did offer his services but due to his inability to form a coherent sentence it raised their suspicions and they made a terrible mistake :(
 
Why bother, there's no infrastructure and that's not going to change. Mean while electric infrastructure continues to rapidly grow. On top of that hydrogen is expensive to produce, hard to transport and hard to store.

It will grow with demand like electric charging stations did which by the way aren't exactly in every petrol forecourt across the country.
 
People who buy electric cars rarely use 'public charging'.

These fuel cells have a degree of plugin range anyway before starting the fuel cell.
 
It will grow with demand like electric charging stations did which by the way aren't exactly in every petrol forecourt across the country.

It almost certainly won't. No ones producing the hydrogen, there aren't plans to build massive nuclear reactors to produce it, theres no transport infrastructure for it.
Electricity is being made, there is a transport infrastructure and there are toms if recharge points and growing at a considerable rate. Not sure why you even said there isn't a charge station in every petrol station, meaningless as it's growing and they generally aren't installed in petrol stations.
 
It almost certainly won't. No ones producing the hydrogen, there aren't plans to build massive nuclear reactors to produce it, theres no transport infrastructure for it.

Really?

There was a time when there were no filling stations, production facilities or transportation for petrol...
 
Really?

There was a time when there were no filling stations, production facilities or transportation for petrol...
in other news, bugger space travel. theres no infrastructre
bugger high speed rail in the uk, theres no infrastucture
bugger lowering co2 in the atmosphere, theres no infrastructre
 
There was a time when there were no filling stations, production facilities or transportation for petrol...

I find Glaucus opinion strange....

What came first, the petrol station or the car?

I always thought it was good business sense to produce something when no demand exists, i.e. hydrogen.

When demand for it exists the infrastructure will be built to support it, you know like petrol stations or erm, public charging points...
 
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I find Glaucus opinion strange....

What came first, the petrol station or the car?

I always thought it was good business sense to produce something when no demand exists, i.e. hydrogen.

When demand for it exists the infrastructure will be built to support it, you know like petrol stations or erm, public charging points...

Not at all. It's pretty obvious things start from nothing. A few stations does not make an infrastructure.
There is no political will for h2, there's almost zero business support for h2, there's no plans for large hydrogen producing plants, which would almost certainly be nuclear and take over a decade to build. The h2 life cycle is horrendously inefficient compared to electricity.
I'm not saying it can't be built, I'm saying like other format wars, it has already lost.
 
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He did offer his services but due to his inability to form a coherent sentence it raised their suspicions and they made a terrible mistake :(

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[TW]Fox;27232038 said:

This is exactly what I think every time he posts on the forum as it's either really badly worded posts or trying to argue some utterly silly point just because nobody else is, even if it's wrong.
 
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