A "Poisonuos Crime"
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They're not comparable really the poppy incident was nothing compared to this and merely caused offence... Iran is irrelevant. Yes if I assaulted someone I could be charged... no they wouldn't have reason to play any race hate card.
A foreigner burring a poppy in our country on the day we remember the men who died for us.
No respect for the country he now calls "home" and claims benefits from.
You cannot be serious, I wonder what the war dead would think of this country now.
No wonder we are soft Britain going by some who live here in GD section idea of right and wrong.
No respect for the country he now calls "home" and claims benefits from.
You cannot be serious, I wonder what the war dead would think of this country now.
No wonder we are soft Britain going by some who live here in GD section idea of right and wrong.
It's been going on for years. It's a shame how some militant libertarians have turned the word Liberal into such a dirty word. Most of them don't even see themselves as militant! One persons right ends when the other persons right begins, but militant libertarians have been deliberately pushing and distorting these lines as much as possible in favor of tiny minorities at the expense of everyone else, but for all their 'well-meaning' they just cause instability and damage everyday society.
But their best trick was to convince established parties that this is how everybody thinks, not just a select group such as the lovelies in the media. Labour and the Tories have got it so badly wrong in the last 20 years and now a huge backlash has occurred. This is why we are seeing a huge change in British politics right now and it seems like they're all going 'oh crap!' and changing policies back to how they used to be.
Freedom of expression works both ways, might not like someone burning a poppy but I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to do so. Laws made to protect speech/expression are there to protect speech/expreession that is controversial - else it wouldn't need protecting. The poppy burner shouldn't have been fined, he wouldn't have been fined in the USA as to do so would breach his constitutional rights... though he'd likely have got his ass kicked.
Dumping a pigs head onto someone else's property is more than that, it is blatant intimidation... a better comparison would be burning someone else's poppies/wreath or dumping a burning wreath at a RBL premises... You can do what you want with a pigs head/poppy if you're not directly affecting others... when you go onto other people's property and create a mess/try to intimidate them then you're no longer just expressing your views.
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Being jailed for chucking a piece of meat at a building is beyond ridiculous. At most they should've been fined for littering.
Given that known terrorists, who travelled to Syria and are returning, are getting "help and support" funded by the taxpayer, it's a bit drastic and overkill sentence imo.
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'pigs be upon you'.
I read the whole article and it says 'An investigation began and a Facebook message was traced to White.'
That's clever! Do the Police begin investigations by trawling Facebook for incriminating content? And how do they do that, exactly?
I read the whole article and it says 'An investigation began and a Facebook message was traced to White.'
That's clever! Do the Police begin investigations by trawling Facebook for incriminating content? And how do they do that, exactly?
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I will not defend these men's actions, but I will not defend the illogical nature of religion either.
These men should receive the same sentence as anyone who throws eggs at someone's house or if they threw a pig's head at an atheist's house.
Once you start making a crime more severe because of the illogical beliefs of the victim we start to tread down very dangerous ground.
These men should receive the same sentence as anyone who throws eggs at someone's house or if they threw a pig's head at an atheist's house.
Once you start making a crime more severe because of the illogical beliefs of the victim we start to tread down very dangerous ground.
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Of course, when you apply reductionism and don't consider the context of said littering.
Does seem like a heavy handed sentence which may actually have the opposite to the intended effect by raising tensions rather than quelling them though?
what else did this cause then?
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What annoys me more than a bunch of chavs chucking a pig's head at a mosque is the inability of Jews and Muslims to realise the REAL reason pork is taboo in their religion.
The reality is pigs require more water and land to sustain that other livestock. They don't provide milk or eggs which makes them even more cost inefficient for a farmer, especially a nomadic one.
So God didn't randomly selected them as a species not to be eaten. It was the more educated rulers at the time propagating mythology so their communities would becomes more economically efficient.
The reality is pigs require more water and land to sustain that other livestock. They don't provide milk or eggs which makes them even more cost inefficient for a farmer, especially a nomadic one.
So God didn't randomly selected them as a species not to be eaten. It was the more educated rulers at the time propagating mythology so their communities would becomes more economically efficient.
intimidation - it could easily be seen as a threat, they threw a pigs head into a mosque... I mean if you were a member of a particular group (religious or otherwise, maybe a political group) and you're aware that some other group hates you, some of your group have been attacked etc.. and then say some thugs call at your door or workplace and throws a bloody horses head towards you... you might be a bit intimidated by the attack/implied threat etc..
It is quite far removed from burning a poppy or a koran for that matter... I don't care if a poppy or a koran get burned, I don't care that some sky pixie worshiping numpties have an irrational aversion to pork... I do care that people have a right to free speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion... frankly attacking/intimidating people just because they're from some group of other is bang out of order and deserves punishment... The symbolic issue of it pork and the additional punishment because it is a religious group I don't agree with but that sort of act should be punished regardless.
And I and no doubt others do not care what you say or think, there is no "I" in team.
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