Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

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Surely the difference is that in the latest event 5 people were killed at once - hence the intense interest.

If only one person had been killed I doubt there would have been a 'live blog', just like if only one person is shot dead in the US there is no 'live blog' yet if 5 people are killed there often is.
 
Before hoping to gain anything in this conflict, the Palestinians have to show the world there's more to them than suicide bombers and throwing rocks.

That you have yet to see/admit there is more to them than that, speaks more about you and your sources of information (or dearth thereof) than about them. Way to go generalizing an entire people, children included, and reducing them to two actions which you know very well are linked to oppressive actions undertaken by the Israeli leadership and those who obey their commands.

As for connections, they are already connected, not through companies and such, but through the heart. Those who lack one, metaphorically speaking, obviously won't feel the connection.
 
And you seem only interested in anti-muslim propaganda just like Rob Mundy don't you? Stick to the muslamic bashing threads where your level of intellect lies.

Seems some of you guys forgot the last massacre in Gaza. Israel has still to let through building materials let alone take down the blockade it has on Gaza. It has still to fulfill one single term of its ceasefire. Don't see none of you pro-israeli's mentioning that either.

Israel has now chosen to focus its energy on the removal of the last remaining palestinians in Jerusalem (which is a part of the West Bank, unlike the BBC tries to make out). Israeli politicians recently voted in favour of denying any muslim or christian in Jerusalem their right to own property (when in fact its not theirs to be able to do anything with in the first place as recognised by international law).

In the meantime - the World news which is really upsetting Israel is that the palestinians are being recognised by various countries as an official state - Sweden did so last week, spain this week - Israel is fuming.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...lling-on-Madrid-to-recognize-Palestine-382245

Israel continues to demolish homes - including of people they 'suspect' of either aggression and even going so low as to order the demolition of homes of palestinians who take part in any protests!
http://online.wsj.com/articles/israel-razes-home-of-jerusalem-car-attack-suspect-1416397982

In the meantime the UK politicians under the pressure of pro-israeli defense groups sit quiet and try to deny that the UK's foriegn policy towards Israel is wrong. There was a back bench vote just a couple of months ago which voted in favour of recognising palestine but whats our glorious leader done about that? Nothing - but what else would we expect from an Ex member of the Jewish National Front.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...state-recognition-growing-international-trend

It's about time the UK woke up like the other 135 of the 193 UN states and recognised Palestine as one. After all that whole mess over there is primarily of our doing (Balfour Treaty).
 
That you have yet to see/admit there is more to them than that, speaks more about you and your sources of information (or dearth thereof) than about them. Way to go generalizing an entire people, children included, and reducing them to two actions which you know very well are linked to oppressive actions undertaken by the Israeli leadership and those who obey their commands.

As for connections, they are already connected, not through companies and such, but through the heart. Those who lack one, metaphorically speaking, obviously won't feel the connection.

Who says I don't see there's more to them than that? I know that Palestinians are worth as much as any other human being, that they should have a land of their own, that they should be able to make their own choices without the constant threat of a vastly superior military force around them.

Unfortunately, most people know nothing about them, their history, their culture and these people vote for politicians who share their views. The Palestinians need to get a grip and they need to choose another way to resist the Israeli aggression because, the way things are going, they will be wiped out or swallowed into the state of Israel and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Why are violent entities such as Hamas and Fatah representing these people? Why do they still respond with terrorism when decades have shown this course of action is futile? Why don't they try to escape the tribal mentality which puts religion first, even before human rights?

The Palestinians have to make internal changes before the advanced countries even consider putting serious pressure on Israel. If they don't, they will sooner or later turn into page of history, like the Mayans or Aztecs.
 
Agreed they need to make some internal changes - but it's kind of difficult when they are oppressed as much as they are! Israel are very clever. When theres chance of peace internally between Hamas and the PLO joining sides - Israel invade. It helps to break the palestinians up (from those who want retaliation to those who support the PLO and their 'bend over and take it' policies).

You talk about not knowing about their cultur, their history - well what do you expect! - They've been occupied by an oppressor for the past 50 years nearly - so whilst other countries have had chance to increase their 'tourism' and show off their 'culture' the palestinians have simply been fighting to stay alive.

Your bias or is it lack of knowledge in this area clearly comes through though when you attach the term 'terrorism' to the people of the West Bank where there is no Hamas or Fatah. The terrorists here as the invading force who built their foundation with terrorist groups like Irgun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
 
Simple and easy way to fix this.

Treat both sides like kids squabbling over a toy, you take the toy away from both of them.
 
Israel are very clever.

Well they aren't really are they. They do hit the news now and then and get the odd condemnation. The really clever ones are the surrounding countries who are complicit in the suppression of the Palestinians and turn it into a Muslim/Jew issue when really it's much more complex than that.
 
Am I crediting you with too much intelligence? Seriously you need to ask that?

Must confess, I don't know what the toy is in this scenario either? The "toy" they're squabbling over in this specific instance is the Al-Aqsa Mosque/Dome of the Rock. Are you suggesting someone blow it up? More generally they're fighting over the actual land in Israel/Palestine so how would you take away that?
 
And you seem only interested in anti-muslim propaganda just like Rob Mundy don't you? Stick to the muslamic bashing threads where your level of intellect lies.

You're only interested because they happen to share the same irrational beliefs. It's all good as long as the muslims aren't being oppressed, which is why we never see you reporting on the issue of muslim on non-muslim violence. It wouldn't suit your cause to report on the plight of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
 
Wrong again - If all I was interested in was reporting on muslim oppression I'd be giving you links to reports from burma, france, spain, america etc - but I'm NOT.

This thread is about Palestine. A subject close to my heart and one worth highlighting to my fellow Brits. We're so quick to go invading countries and starting wars claiming to be doing it for the better good - but the main conflict going on in the middle-east we refuse to be involved in - especially when it was OUR mess to start with.

Lest you forget the british empire days:
n a speech to the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies on 21 May 2009, David Miliband, the British foreign secretary, argued that the future of the west’s relations with Muslim-dominated countries lay in the building of broad coalitions based upon consent among citizens—not just ruling elites. Prior to making his case, he acknowledged the elephant in the room of Anglo-Muslim relations: Britain’s colonial record in the middle east and south Asia, and its legacies. As part of this rare confession of culpability, he noted ‘the failure – it has to be said not just ours - to establish two states in Palestine’.

This admission, as rare as it may be, gives only a very partial picture of what is a largely unacknowledged story. With a mandate from the league of nations, Britain governed the Holy Land from the end of the first world war until 1948. During this time, the political landscape of Palestine was completely transformed. Whilst Arabs and Jews played a fundamental role in the unfolding drama of mandate Palestine, the driving force was imperial Britain. The old myth that Britain was merely ‘holding the ring’ — trying to keep the peace between two irrational, warring parties — is a gross misunderstanding of history.

This makes an interesting but debatable read on the subject:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/opens...orgotten-lessons-palestine-and-british-empire

We bang on about our involvement in the middle east of being one for the 'greater good' - Why then have do we side with Israel - A clearly oppressing force with one of the last remaining Concentration Camps on earth (aka Gaza).
 
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Arghh the Middle East and more specifically 'The Promised Land' bastion of tranquillity and peace prior to the involvement of the nasty British.

Anyway how are the Muslim countries of Egypt and Jordan treating the occupied territories these days - oh still helping to starve them I see. Real classy treatment that.
 
Funny you used the word deflect there. I never said Egypt wasn't a mess or that Jordan wasn't involved in the peace process. I said they were helping to starve them.

You're the chap who's never lived in a Muslim country, right?
 
Wrong again. Don't assume you know me.

Jordan are also harbouring a huge amount of palestinian refugees - call that starving them?

As for Egypt - Egypt's leadership are in the back pocket of US - aka Israel's puppets - what else do we expect from them.

So coming back to the original point more importantly - what are WE the UK doing about it? If we are interested in gaining REAL peace in the middle-east the best start we can make is by sorting out the mess WE left behind. Analysing root causes are usually the best place to start resolving issues.
 
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