Driver's reactions to being undertaken

Not quite, not in the real world.

People are stupid - they cruise along, usually slowly, without lane discipline but when someone wishes to pass (be it on the left or right) these idiots put there foot down because they don't like you passing.

One thing that I come across a lot is someone crawling along in the right hand lane, they see you fast approaching, they don't pull over for a ages. Eventually when they do pull over and you begin to overtake, their speed dramatically increases to try and match yours (ie to not let you properly overtake). Say there doing 55 in a 70, they pull over, you accelerate to 70(ish) and they also accelerate to similar speed from the left lane...

Since having cruise control I have noticed this far more! You will be consistently catching a vehicle with cruise set to 70mph. Pull out to pass the vehicle you have been travelling several mph faster than and as you draw along side they then increase their speed until they are travelling faster than you. Sometimes I think people don't even realise they are doing it.
 
Why bring speed into it? Either you're overtaking, in which case moving over isn't an option, or you're not - in which case you shouldn't be there :confused:

Becuase your not accounting for other drivers in that equation. The ones where even if you are overtaking at any speed and theres no where to go will still be up your ass flashing etc.

This is all pretty pointless, I know what I meant , I apologise if people assumed something else, end of story.
 
Since having cruise control I have noticed this far more! You will be consistently catching a vehicle with cruise set to 70mph. Pull out to pass the vehicle you have been travelling several mph faster than and as you draw along side they then increase their speed until they are travelling faster than you. Sometimes I think people don't even realise they are doing it.

This happens to me a lot too, I just floor it and move back over in front of them and resume using CC.
 
These days I subscribe to the don't get ****ed off at idiots who can't drive school of thought. If I did every time I commute to work I would have severe road rage! The M1 seems to be a breeding ground for it.

The 4 lane sections always make me laugh when in light to no traffic people sit in the 3rd lane when there is nothing in lane 1 & 2.

A mate of mine gets severe M1 fury when people hog the middle lane he overtakes then IMO dangerously cuts in front of them back over to the nearside. I just tell him you can't educate people so why bother?!
 
Technically I didn't undertake anyone while doing 85 mph.

The first was on the way to work I accidentally undertook a van (I had not intended to undertake when I pulled into the left lane but took an opportunity I saw). The van driver doesn't like it and closes a 10 m gap to catch up to me (I'm doing 85) he then swerves across 2 lanes of the motorway. Undertakes me and a vehicle in the center lane then swerves all the way back to complete his undertake.

"Technically" either you did undertake here at 85mph or you accelerated still further after undertaking...

I decide to undertake and just as I start coming up the inside the Mercedes decides to undertake as well. So me and the Mercedes are in the middle lane trying to undertake the insignia who decides to speed up and it ends up being a drag race. I back off, once I get to 85 but the Mercedes and insignia are still going. The Mercedes backs off as there are now cars in the way and he pulls up behind the insignia (I don't hear any horns and I don't see any lights flashing). The insignia overtakes the car that was blocking the Mercedes way and then pulls into the center lane and allows the Mercedes to pass.

Or here you "technically" tried to undertake at 85mph even if you were unsuccessful. I'm not sure technicalities save you on this account.

It's highly unlikely to matter but possibly also worth considering for the future if admitting to breaking the law is wise on a public forum regardless of whether lots of other people may have done the same without publicising it.
 
This is why we need unrestricted speed limits for major motorway routes. Somehow it just seems to work on the autobahn...people keep right unless overtaking, also I think in some parts it is sign posted that lorries cannot over take each other.
 
It's annoying when it happens to you

I was driving on a 2 lane dual carriageway overtaking a row of cars, I was doing 70. A Jag from about 700 yards behind me starts flashing for me to move over, this was whilst I was busy overtaking of course. Due to the **** flashing me I obviously decided to stick to the outside lane doing 70 MPH for a bit longer, the tool tailgated me, then undertook me in a dangerous fashion.

Would have moved over in plenty of time if he hadn't flashed me in the first place.

Why is it that in this country flashing lights is taken so offensively.

The chap wanted the peasant hogging the third lane to move over as there was space.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Why is it that in this country flashing lights is taken so offensively.

The chap wanted the peasant hogging the third lane to move over as there was space.

Nothing more, nothing less.

1) It was a 2 lane dual carriageway

2) I am not a peasant

3) I was not hogging the lane, I was overtaking a line of several cars, of which would have been passed before the car got anywhere near to overtaking myself. But because he was a douchebag and thought he owned the road, I refused to bow to his commands, and continued in the outside lane.
 
I undertook two cars who were going about 50 in the outside lane (of three) on the a3 once.

I was cruising at 70, on the inside lane - the car behind obviously didn't like it as after the front car pulled over he sped up, got behind me and started flashing his lights...

Unfortunately they were blue and perviously hidden in his grill... He then sped past wagging a finger and i went home to change my pants.
 
You said you'd completed your overtake and decided to spite him by staying out, he then proceeded to undertake you because of this. You were both being silly and you are trying to complain that only he was.

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Unfortunately they were blue and perviously hidden in his grill... He then sped past wagging a finger and i went home to change my pants.

Which he shouldn't do as you've not committed an offence just by passing on the left (if it was a 70mph limit), if anything the third car should have been pulled by him for lane hogging.
 
You said you'd completed your overtake and decided to spite him by staying out, he then proceeded to undertake you because of this. You were both being silly and you are trying to complain that only he was.

I wouldn't say I was being silly, more I was making a point. Whereas he was guilty of dangerous driving and speeding.
 
Drivers in this country, for the majority, are *****.

I think this pretty much sums it up!

Interesting quote from the RAC forums here (not sure how true the statement is mind)

The specific offence of undertaking (or nearside undertake) was actually removed from the statute books with the introduction of the 1972 Road Traffic Act, and although the Highway Code advises against it, there is no specific law that prevents it.

The reason for this is in part due to the poor lane discipline experienced on Motorways. There are often many occasions (which many of you have probably experienced yourself) when lane 3 is stationary but lanes 1 and 2 are clear and so it is often easier to continue in the inside lanes and keep traffic flowing.

On other occasions drivers will catch up a vehicle doing say 50mph but remains in lane 2 whilst lane 1 is empty (late at night for example) and to go from lane 1 across to lane 3 is potentially just as dangerous, whereas remaining in lane 1 allows the vehicle to pass quite safely (I hope I explained that OK?)

However, whilst there is no specific offence of undertaking, we still have careless driving under section 3 of the 1988 Road Traffic Act, and a driver who undertakes dangerously or badly will find themselves before the court for either careless or in the worst cases dangerous (section 2 of the same act)

But, to obtain a conviction, the prosecution has to show that the standard of driving fell well below the standard expected of a reasonably competent driver, and the act of the nearside overtake would not in itself be sufficient to secure a conviction.

However, if as I saw yesterday, a vehicle shoots past in lane 2 on the undertake, then into lane 1, undertakes and then shoots out to lane 3 and then back to lane 3 (if you like, weaving from lane to lane) then that would probably be sufficient to get the conviction.

If like me on the same route, I had a vehicle doing 45 - 50 in lane 2 in an empty motorway, I went past at around 60 and a Police car followed me and then pulled over the centre lane hogger, then you know that the hogger is going to get done for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (which is a sub section of careless driving).

I hope I explained that OK.

The other question I get asked a lot is what if the centre lane hogger then moves back to lane 1 as you are undertaking and a collision occurs?

Well, then centre lane hogger has a statutory duty of care to ensure it is safe to move back in just as much as they do when moving to an outside lane, and there have been a few cases in civil law where the hogger has been held 100% liable on the basis that with the evidence available they could have been in lane 1 in the first place, and so they committed the section 3 offence, and then failed to check it was safe to return to lane 1, and that the undertaking driver was acting perfectly reasonably for the circumstances.

So, in short, there is no offence, or specific offence, and if it is done sensibly, then nothing to worry about, but just be aware of the possibility of the hogger moving across back into the nearside lane.

I hope that answers the question for you?
 
Interesting quote from the RAC forums here (not sure how true the statement is mind)

It goes against the highway code, whether or not you can be "done" for it I don't know. Depends on the police officer in question, but in some cases I'm sure they will have justification for dangerous driving.

  • only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so
  • stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left

https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/overtaking-162-to-169
 
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