At least he'll be able to fix her door knocker for her (and he's made himself look a bit more respectable).
This is better than The Thick of It
Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?
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At least he'll be able to fix her door knocker for her (and he's made himself look a bit more respectable).
This is better than The Thick of It
I see that the most arrogant Labour champaign socialist I've ever seen Emily Thornberry has taken a rope and duly hung herself.
I'll never forget her ludicrous staged (and factually incorrect) outrage on Question Time with Peter Hitchens.
Big fat pig at a trough, politics is better off without her. She does the Labour party a massive discredit of service.
I'll never forget her ludicrous staged (and factually incorrect) outrage on Question Time with Peter Hitchens.
Big fat pig at a trough, politics is better off without her. She does the Labour party a massive discredit of service.
Since you promised to reply, I guess it was empty promise, just like promises from your leader. I even served you guys "non waffle" version in post #715
I'll refresh your memory anyway:
- When UKIP supporters say "everything is wrong about EU" (quote from this thread)? What exactly do they mean. What is particularly wrong with it. Give us at least few examples based on facts.
- When UKIP supporters say EU laws are "imposed on Britain". What do you mean? Can you give us few examples of laws made by EU that British government really didn't want to adopt but were forced to accept? And as an extension - which law "imposed" by EU was the real "deal breaker" for you? As in - if you had to pick one, most terrible, damaging, catastrophic law Britain has to abide by, worth leaving 27 countries for - what would it be?
- Following UKIP rhetoric - what job positions were stolen from Brits by EU migrants. Any example of a factory, location or position affecting masses of unemployed people where Brits weren't given a chance or couldn't apply for will do.
- Why is UKIP's immigration policy set selectively against EU migrants, even though EU migration only accounts for minority of immigration in Britain?
- UK has currently one of the lower immigration percentages per capita among economically leading countries (both continent wise and globally). Why then do you, personally, feel immigration and immigration control is the number one problem in Britain today?
- UKIP manifesto contains postulates such as "UKIP would not seek to remain in the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) or European Economic Area (EEA) and will not be part of European Union (EU)". While maintaining free trade with Europe. Historically such deal would be unprecedented. What steps to date (if any) were taken by leaders of UKIP to assure general public that bilateral Free Trade Agreement of that kind is even possible and does any UKIP material contain details of terms or long terms projections regarding such agreement?
So far we have partial reply from deuce, his answers were:
What is wrong with EU? Answer: Everything that UKIP says at http://www.ukip.org/issues . Effectively the page digests to "we want all the EU trade perks without EU telling us how to do it, we don't want to pay any fees for it, we want unlimited right to work and live anywhere we want, but we don't want any of you to work and live in our country unless for short time, then bye bye, oh and no social securities for you while you work.
What laws based on EU law don't you like/name the most terrible law? Answer: All of them if they were modelled or in any way influenced by EU. Supplied link to pdf document from House of Lords. Longer holidays, less working hours, food labelling, consumer protection, lower roaming charges, anything and everything. The whole lot.
What job was stolen from you by EU. Answer: The German company he worked for has relocated overseas. EU migrants were to blame for it, at least partially. Currently he is an immigrant and "steals jewbs" himself, from Americans.
Why is UKIP's immigration policy set selectively against EU migrants? Answer: He doesn't see it as such, he believes UKIP want all immigrants gone, equally. Feels 1960ies were a good balance of what Britain should like in terms of aliens and locals.
Why is immigration the number one problem in Britain today? No direct reply, but safe to say it digests down to "because it is".
UKIP manifesto contains silly postulates. Answer: It's going to happen, because Nigel said so.
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That's an about turn if ever I've seen one. Just a couple of weeks ago you posted.
And now here you are labelling v0n and resorting to childish name calling. If you can't answer the questions then that's ok but you could at least admit it rather than pretending there's something wrong with the questions or the posting style.
I've been nothing but polite to you so far, do you really want to turn this discussion into some sort of EDL baseball stand off?
How old are you again?, wasn't it 50 odd?.
As opposed to a UKIP back slapping party where you continually ignore attempts at cogent debate and instead counter with vague insults and repeating of policies people are asking you to justify reasonably?
Do grow up.
To be fair, I think Rob does a reasonable job of holding up the UKIP end of things on GD (recent posts notwithstanding). A lot of his fellow UKIPers are, pretty much, dim-wits so he doesn't get much help.
Even so, V0n's post is a little unfair, as you could ask similar questions of many of the other parties' supporters, and the answers would not be easy to come up with. He's not a politician, after all. And some of the questions will have no documented answer anyway.
UKIP are a symptom of failures elsewhere. The failure to provide opportunity to those who don't have the fortune to be born into wealth (cultural and monetary), the failure to engage with people who feel unrewarded for their efforts, the failure to address public service problems, and the failure to curb the rhetoric blaming it all on immigrants (instead immigration has been lapped up by Tory and Labour as a diversion from their shortcomings).
They're a party for the jealous, the angry and the insecure. Their policies are based on exploiting these feelings, and they're doing it successfully because the root problems have been allowed to fester for so long.
Even so, V0n's post is a little unfair, as you could ask similar questions of many of the other parties' supporters, and the answers would not be easy to come up with. He's not a politician, after all. And some of the questions will have no documented answer anyway.
UKIP are a symptom of failures elsewhere. The failure to provide opportunity to those who don't have the fortune to be born into wealth (cultural and monetary), the failure to engage with people who feel unrewarded for their efforts, the failure to address public service problems, and the failure to curb the rhetoric blaming it all on immigrants (instead immigration has been lapped up by Tory and Labour as a diversion from their shortcomings).
They're a party for the jealous, the angry and the insecure. Their policies are based on exploiting these feelings, and they're doing it successfully because the root problems have been allowed to fester for so long.
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I'd say UKIP are a party for those who don't feel well served the current political elite.
That's the message their PR campaign wants people to have in their heads. This 'political elite' thing is a masterstroke of smoke and mirrors. How on the one hand can a party celebrate every Tory defection and then also claim that they aren't like 'the establishment'? Unless they know that their audience aren't scrutinising them too much.
