Freedom of speech.

Let him speak. He will make an idiot of himself and be ripped to shreds in the process.
 
Efour said:
Let him speak. He will make an idiot of himself and be ripped to shreds in the process.
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I don't see why they should give a public platform to someone like this though. If they really want to go ahead, then they have that right, but they should expect pressure to prevent giving him free publicity.
 
Moses said:
Hasn't he disassociated himself with the EDL, now? There was all the stuff with him working with the Quilliam Foundation, and all that.
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He's got exactly the same views (doesn't like Muslim hate preachers) but now he's not getting tarred by EDL who have just let in a bunch of ex NF yobs.

I've seen a lot of times where he gets shouted down by leftie rent a mobs, but afaik he's never actually said anything that controversial?. His far right reputation is pretty much a fiction from what I've read. Not what I was expecting at all.

There really is a big chasm between what people think he has said and what he has. Like the racism thing, not one single interviewer has ever said "what you said here is racist", so where did it all come from?

Quillian don't seem to have a problem and he still hasn't changed his views.
 
bitslice said:
I've seen a lot of times where he gets shouted down by leftie rent a mobs, but afaik he's never actually said anything that controversial?. His far right reputation is pretty much a fiction from what I've read. Not what I was expecting at all.
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There was one time, on question time I think where he was being very tame and didn't really say anything very controversial but where a woman in the audience was just constantly shouting over him calling him a racist.
 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it...over there, in the corner, where no one can hear you."
 
He's free to be a racist ******* and I'm free to kick his head in because of it.

He can say what he likes, I can react how I like. That is how this works.
 
pitchfork said:
He's free to be a racist ******* and I'm free to kick his head in because of it.

He can say what he likes, I can react how I like. That is how this works.
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This is not actually true. No doubt you wouldn't actually kick his head in (you worry me if you would) but you're not free to do it in the same way you aren't free to do it to someone walking down the street.
 
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Tombo said:
There was one time, on question time I think where he was being very tame and didn't really say anything very controversial but where a woman in the audience was just constantly shouting over him calling him a racist.
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I saw that too, if he is so horrible then it would have been really simple to just say exactly why and to reel off hundreds of examples, but she didn't, just kept shouting him down :confused:

Paxman did the same thing, didn't let him speak, just sat there shouting at the guy over nothing.
I mean come on Paxman, that was just pathetic browbeating..
 
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Let him speak. Then mock/debate with him. His weak arguments will be quickly exposed.

In a democracy we should convince through argument, not censorship.
 
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences and it does not mean a right to enforce your opinion on others or require others to listen your bile.
 
AGD said:
Let him speak. Then mock/debate with him. His weak arguments will be quickly exposed.

In a democracy we should convince through argument, not censorship.
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In a democracy if people don't want to listen to a racist biggot they don't have to, and no entity is required to provide them a platform to preach their hatred.
 
Energize said:
No one is forcing anyone to listen to it...
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Nope, but no one has to accommodate his request to speak either.
That is the thing with free speech, it doesn't entitle you to anything much.

Any entity is perfectly within their rights not to allow anyone to air their opinion, especially if the entity opposes that persons opinion.
Conversely, any entity that allows someone to speech is not immune from accusations and people have the right to complain about such entities that do allow people to speak who will express opinions that are quite possibly illegal.

Honestly, he is just a completely thug with a long prison record. he has been imprisoned multiple times for violence and abusive behavior, assault, and mortgage fraud, using false identities
 
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Hes not being entitled to speak, he is being invited. The choice of listening to him now lies with the attendees. It is far better to simply walk out when he starts talking than it is to try to organise a boycott.
 
Judgeneo said:
Hes not being entitled to speak, he is being invited. The choice of listening to him now lies with the attendees. It is far better to simply walk out when he starts talking than it is to try to organise a boycott.
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Yes, he is being invited but other people are perfectly entitled to express their opinion that he should not be invited.
 
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