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keep r9 290 or swap out for gtx 970
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Keep the R9 GPU, and get a real mans motherboard and CPU 
Just by getting a decent CPU / Mobo you would see big gains in gaming, and prog use. A much more worthy upgrade than a similar GPU than uses a bit less power. Let's be honest if you're using an AMD FX CPU power consumption is the last thing on your mind.
Z97 + 4690K (For a cheap gaming build that will give you large increase)
or
X99 + 5820K (A bit more pricey, but extra cores/threads, DDR4, and proper soldered CPU)
Just by getting a decent CPU / Mobo you would see big gains in gaming, and prog use. A much more worthy upgrade than a similar GPU than uses a bit less power. Let's be honest if you're using an AMD FX CPU power consumption is the last thing on your mind.
Z97 + 4690K (For a cheap gaming build that will give you large increase)
or
X99 + 5820K (A bit more pricey, but extra cores/threads, DDR4, and proper soldered CPU)
It isn't, DX for AMD is exactly the same as it is For Nvidia, Mantle is simply much better than DX.
So after all that the GTX 970 doesn't help with your FPS.
Your welcome
@ Ian Evey, i used Mirillis Action to record that, in the post i made that Video for i made it clear that there is at least a 20% Drop off in performance because of it, i have to use that as its the only thing that will record Mantle and only in Boaderless mode. The Frame rates i see are not far to yours in that vid with DX, about 60 absolute minimum, i get more than 80 With Mantle which are higher than yours and you are running a faster CPU.
I can also see stuttering in your Vid, its quite noticeable. and your average frame rates look to be about 100 compared to my 140
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27129058&postcount=3
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I have to agree with this, on dx a 780/290 are very similair at 1080p, higher res yes the 290 with more ram helps. But bring mantle into the mix and the 290 does do a good bit better, especially in bf4 which is an amd optimized game. But, i play it a lot and it is by no means bad on nv cards. Moreso now since new patches.
Yes.
Its not bad on either card, it really isn't, the example i used is one of the best examples of where the CPU or the API really matters.
Its not like that throughout the game as we well know with some reviewers choosing different parts of the game and concluding it makes no difference.
I deliberately used that part to show that it can make a huge difference, i know Matt gets well in excess of 100 FPS minimum on the same part of the map with his i7 and CF with Mantle that he can't get anywhere near in DX.
If you run a fast CPU and only one card it doesn't make a huge difference, although it does help it along.
But if your CPU is not that fast or your running more than one card Mantle vs DX is like night and day on almost all maps in certain parts.
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The patched have improved the performance of the game over all.
Tbh ive no idea how my 4790k at 4.7ghz compares to Matt's 500 series he, and im only at 1920x1200 res at present. The problem with bf4 is that fps can be hit very badly on a laggy server. Ive seen fps as low as 40 on the factory oc'd cards in sig on the wrong server. But get on a good uk one and 80+ is the norm on max settings. All i need now is a decent 1440p monitor tbh, as the ol cheap 780's are doing grand, £540.00 for both all in a few months ago, cant beat a bargain. Particularly when your a cheapskate like me.
I know what you mean about lagy servers, usually on full servers if there is a lot going on it can have moments of stuttering and huge FPS drops.
I play the Cooler Master servers a lot, more often than not Locker, always full. that can get pretty mad and very intense (its why i love it) but that does make it prone to a few seconds of massive stuttering every 10 minutes or so.
They even reduced the player count to 48 at one point to tackle it, they soon went back to 64, lots of complaints. not so much fun with only 48.
I play the Cooler Master servers a lot, more often than not Locker, always full. that can get pretty mad and very intense (its why i love it) but that does make it prone to a few seconds of massive stuttering every 10 minutes or so.
They even reduced the player count to 48 at one point to tackle it, they soon went back to 64, lots of complaints. not so much fun with only 48.
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I noticed a big difference between the 2, especially in other games that only use 1-2 cores.
10fps+ extra when on Nvidia, although they did release a driver a good few months ago now which increased performance by a good chunk by reducing DX overhead.
So after all that the GTX 970 doesn't help with your FPS.
Your welcome
@ Ian Evey, i used Mirillis Action to record that, in the post i made that Video for i made it clear that there is at least a 20% Drop off in performance because of it, i have to use that as its the only thing that will record Mantle and only in Boaderless mode. The Frame rates i see are not far to yours in that vid with DX, about 60 absolute minimum, i get more than 80 With Mantle which are higher than yours and you are running a faster CPU.
I can also see stuttering in your Vid, its quite noticeable. and your average frame rates look to be about 100 compared to my 140
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=27129058&postcount=3
You do realise Ian made that video to show that DX isn't anywhere near as bad for him as it is for you in your video, it's pretty obvious a 290 with Mantle is going to be better than a 970 on DX in yours or OP's situation. His video isn't as smooth as the Mantle side of yours but it's a hell of a lot better than the DX side. Yes I realise his CPU will of helped with that.
The stuttering you mention looks like rubberbanding which could be down to the server.
A 3570k at 3.8 in bf4 is not as good as a 8350 at 4.5?
Not sure how you judge an average fps when the fps are very similar, i can see why people like mantle but making a comparison which shows dx on amd on bf4 to be a pile of junk and then saying its the same on nvidia is not even a little bias?
Not sure how you judge an average fps when the fps are very similar, i can see why people like mantle but making a comparison which shows dx on amd on bf4 to be a pile of junk and then saying its the same on nvidia is not even a little bias?
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The A 3570k at 3.8 is better than the 8350 at 4.5 in DX in BF4, the 8350 at 4.5 in Mantle is better than the A 3570k at 3.8 in DX BF4, IF the A 3570k at 3.8 was running Mantle then it would be better than the 8350 at 4.5 running Mantle.
Simple's.
Who else matters?. You've been poking Humbug continuously throughout this thread for handbag reasons at best. What Humbug is saying is correct for his and the OP's system so your input is confusing tbh. Well, if you carry a Nvidia flag around with you, then I understand.
I don't know how people are not getting this?.
Your both ignoring what i have said 2 or 3 times now, my recording was done on Mirillis Action as that is the only thing that will record Mantle and only in Boaderless mode.
For one Mirillis Action uses the CPU for encoding, it reduces CPU performance by at least 20%, Running in Boarderless mode also doesn't help.
Normally in DX minimum FPS are about 70, roughly the same as Ian, in Mantle its around 90.
In DX it didn't like the tress of encoding and rendering on the CPU at the same time so it is a little rougher than it normally is, it copes much better with it in Mantle but even that is not where it normally is.
The intention of the Video is not about smoothness, it is about FPS which are effected equally while recording.
Anyway, the OP said he also gets higher FPS with the 290 in Mantle than he does with the 970 and has made his choice.
Lets move on