EU court blocks gay asylum tests
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I don't think a "test" is what is required. What is required is a thorough interview process to weed out bogus claims.
This is what happens in all asylum cases - I don't believe those claiming because of persecution should be treated any differently based on the reason for that persecution.
We certainly shouldn't be offering asylum to people coming from France or other EU countries. Anyone entering (no sniggering at the back) the EU should only be able to claim asylum in the country of entry.
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I vote for just ending asylum completely. Tell them to go to another country, like the one right next door to their own country that allows homosexuality.
I recommend homosexual africans to claim asylum in south africa, http://www.southafrica.info/travel/documents/refugees_asylum.htm http://www.cormsa.org.za/applying-for-refugee-status-in-south-africa/
I recommend homosexual africans to claim asylum in south africa, http://www.southafrica.info/travel/documents/refugees_asylum.htm http://www.cormsa.org.za/applying-for-refugee-status-in-south-africa/
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If someone is fleeing persecution they may end up in a situation involving a real and immediate threat to their life. In those situations one may just get on the first plain/train/boat to safety. That first plane may be to the country next door or it may be to Heathrow.
What I have an issue with is people fleeing and arriving in a safe country and from their deciding not to seek asylum but to try to come here instead. We have large numbers of asylum seekers who reach this country from France. The last time I checked nobody was being persecuted in France.
If you flee and arrive in one EU country and don't seek asylum but try and come to the UK, you are not an asylum seeker. You are an economic migrant.*
*There are of course exceptions to this. If you are a 5 year old boy in France who has just fled Syria and your family is in London for example.
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People don't choose their sexual orientation
Agreed. However I'd argue they do choose to act upon it.
We have been here before.
International law does not require asylum seekers to seek asylum in the first country if entry. However EU law does allow EU countries to deport asylum seekers back to their country of men try within the EU.
Therefore if we want to deport asylum seekers that have previously entered the EU it is paramount that we remain members of the EU.
Nope, you don't choose to eat.
And that can all apply to homosexuals.
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Surely you only need to provide evidence that you appear gay?
Not physical appearance, but that there's enough evidence that you could potentially be prosecuted for being homosexual?
Not physical appearance, but that there's enough evidence that you could potentially be prosecuted for being homosexual?
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Would you not? I'm certain I would.
If I really wanted a good welfare state, though, I'd probably go to Denmark.
Indeed, this nones that the UK has one of the best welfare states is laughable. It is a long way behind many other European countries. Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, France, Norway, Sweden, Finland will all work out much better than the UK.
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I would not because i do not move to countries in the hope of claiming benefits.
Seriously though there is nothing wrong with many countries in africa. Cape town has a vibrant homosexual scene with bars and clubs and all that. The other benefits is that south africa has 13 official languages and will most likely have their own language as an official language. It would make sense for africans to claim asylum in south africa and many do already.
One is a necessity to support your life. The other isn't.
I am aware that the majority of people don't choose their sexual preference but you don't need to act on it. If it is against the law where you currently choose to live, you can of course choose to break the law but the consequences of that shouldn't grant a person the right of asylum in another country.
You may decide that you wish to live by other rules other than those of where you currently reside (because legitimately you have no other choice than to satisfy your needs) but you should be treated exactly the same as anyone else wanting to come and live in another country
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So the threat of death for practising your sexuality, a basic human right in my eyes, doesn't warrant asylum?
I see compassion is still something in short supply then.
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This is a very fair point. Take the middle east, it would be like a women there refusing to "dress appropriately" in public and then trying to claim asylum on that basis. If you are not willing to abide by the laws of a country then you can move but i am not sure that it warrants asylum status.
There is far worse oppression in the world than not being able to engage in homosexual sex.
Wow, just...wow...
Did you actually read what you said or simply shut your eyes and mash the keyboard with your face and posted whatever autocorrect managed to fix?
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We're not discussing benefits here; we're discussing asylum. Don't let that cloud your judgement.
Not all laws are just, we should offer refuge for those who suffer at the hands of them.
How is taking in a homosexual who may suffer death in his home nation if exposed any different to taking in anybody else from a potential war-zone in which ethnic cleansing is used.
Besides, people are getting killed for simply being unable to hide their sexuality - it's not like they are getting caught making love to a man, many there is no 'evidence' & it's just assumed by how obvious their sexuality is (which it can be at times).
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Of course it makes a difference, why else would they claim asylum in the uk, when they could claim asylum in south africa for example? They want the free stuff.
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They are doing it to escape persecution. Perhaps they feel that they will not be accepted in the communities in South Africa. As I said before, if they wanted handouts, we are not the top country for them.