Paris mayor wants diesels banned...I think I'm in love

[stoofa]

OT: I'm sorry - but what letter is the apostrophe in your thread title supposed to be replacing?
I don't do the gramma Nazi thing that much - but that is very 101.

 

[Grimley]

Given the way people drive in Paris (Been there twice & I didn't see a single car without a dent or big scratch in it) I wouldn't want to drive my car (a diesel) there anyway.

 

[Freefaller]

I do wonder if the best way to reduce emissions is to reduce the amount of time people spend driving cars in the city. Not through bans or emissions zones but through ensuring traffic flows as smoothly as possible and there are plenty of places to park...

That works but the issue being where to add parking infrastructure in an already overcrowded city like London? Paris already offers a lot of underground parking for most of its buildings, but also offers large open avenues and boulevards, not the tight hodgepodge design of London.

I personally can get about quicker through London using public transport - certainly in the central section and more congested areas.

It's either reduce emissions and only allow electric vehicles and trams into central town, or have a number limit on how many cars enter or are within a certain circumference of central London or any other city.

 

[Raumarik]

I'd love an electric car but there are no working recharge facilities anywhere near where I have to work, those that are installed are vandalised or hit by other cars due to poor design and placement.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

You can't suddenly outlaw the choice of car of quite so much of the population.

Why not? Make city centers pedestrian, cycle, bus and delivery vehicle only. Create park and ride on the outskirts.

Job done.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

it takes cahones to say to a diesel driving electorate that their cars are no longer welcome in Paris.

No, probably takes a decent "political contribution" from an appropriate group that might benefit (e.g. car manufacturer with a primarily petrol driven range of cars, a petroleum supplier or similar) to actually get a politician to do the right thing.

Do you genuinely believe that it was motivated by trying to reduce polution?

 

[Draeger]

Got a point. I think most city centres should have vehicle bans and more done on public transport such as trams and bicycle lanes.

This.

 

[Freefaller]

No, probably takes a decent "political contribution" from an appropriate group that might benefit (e.g. car manufacturer with a primarily petrol driven range of cars, a petroleum supplier or similar) to actually get a politician to do the right thing.

Do you genuinely believe that it was motivated by trying to reduce polution?

Whilst you're probably right, without wanting to be too grumpy and cynical I think/hope that there could still be a chance that she was motivated for the right reasons.

 

[Outcast]

Hey, don't go thinking things like that, once you start looking at actual solutions to the problems you start going mad.

Restrict HGV access to all towns and cities during peak traffic.
Enforce all loading and unloading bays.
Restrict all HGVs to the inside lane of dual carriage ways.

Re evaluate the amount of disabled and parent and child parking bays on offer at all venues and supermarkets- I've been to places where there are 100+ unusable bays put aside for disabled and parent and child provision that just sit empty.
I've been to one major electronics distribution centre in Newark that has its staff parking all along the access road to the estate because there is no room to park - because a quarter of its car park is restricted to disabled parking.

There are never any cars parked in them.

Give tax breaks to people and businesses that allow its staff to work from home where ever they can and encourage businesses to be more creative and intelligent in how they manage people's time.
I work from home one day a week, it's great, i also don't have fixed hours of attendance, I come and go as I please and as long as I am in line with business expectations at the end of the quarter/year then everyone is happy.

I average about something like 26 hours a week.

And so on and so on.

Just wondering how nervous motorists (there are a LOT of them) are going to join the dual carriageway if there is a wall of steel driving in it ?

The knock on effect on the feeder routes would be gridlock.

You didn't think that one out very well did you !

Restricting delivery access & times means the shops/manufacturing etc WILL run short.

It's called J.I.T (Just In Time) deliveries and has caught favour because of the savings over storage space.

 

[PMKeates]

Restricting delivery access & times means the shops/manufacturing etc WILL run short.

It's called J.I.T (Just In Time) deliveries and has caught favour because of the savings over storage space.

All of those can be solved by accepting higher goods transportation costs.

 

[chef-borjan]

I actually work on the effects of diesel exhaust particles on the lungs as part of my PhD studies.

Long story short... not great for you. Its good to see that slowly we are wising up to it in terms of policy and public opinion too.

 

[Dogbreath]

I do wonder if the best way to reduce emissions is to reduce the amount of time people spend driving cars in the city. Not through bans or emissions zones but through ensuring traffic flows as smoothly as possible and there are plenty of places to park...

Suggesting there is room for improvement that doesn't involve punishing car drivers is heresy. Next you'll be suggesting that speed bumps, traffic islands next to bus stops and all the mostly empty buses driving around aren't actually helping to reduce congestion an pollution.

 

[monkey_boy]

I do wonder if the best way to reduce emissions is to reduce the amount of time people spend driving cars in the city. Not through bans or emissions zones but through ensuring traffic flows as smoothly as possible and there are plenty of places to park...

Space is the problem. Cities are very dense, heck even the undersides of cities are getting dense that underground parking may not be an option to solve the problem.

I think we need nuclear energy in a big way to give rise to electric transport and hopefully make hydrogen fuel viable.

 

[Abraxaz1]

Space is the problem. Cities are very dense, heck even the undersides of cities are getting dense that underground parking may not be an option to solve the problem.

I think we need nuclear energy in a big way to give rise to electric transport and hopefully make hydrogen fuel viable.

... a fuel source that requires more energy to produce, cannot be stored for long periods of time is not a sustainable. All we would be doing is transferring from a finite fuel source ( petroleum ) to another (uranium)
What we need to be doing is creating continent wide super grids, with a base load coming from renewable sources such as solar, wind, water (kinetic) and geothermal, with spinning generators using non renewable sources to boast in times of great load.. Then invest in electric public transport in inner cities such as trams and electrified rail for outer and rural cities. In doing so we need to also produces a better system for park and ride for the majority of cities, that will attract the drivers off the crowded inner-city roads and onto public transport.

But this will never happen as there is a social stigma attached to using public transport.

 

[Maccapacca]

Yes no one uses the tube as it's a social stigma.

 

[[TW]Fox]

But this will never happen as there is a social stigma attached to using public transport.

It's probably nothing to do with this - I use the train whenever possible but more and more lately the cost of using my car instead is significantly cheaper so I drive.

Government needs to recognise that public transport *IS* important and get over the fact it's going to cost more money to get more people using it through lower fares.

 

[Trig]

U WOT M8

Diesel engines polute more than Petrol, would have thought that was simple enough no?

 

[Trig]

Its not just Diesel vs Petrol, fuel in general needs to be looked at, wind, solar, geothermal etc should all be higher up the priority list, the problem is though people say they want to be green but then dont want the eyesore of having stuff sat on their door steps...

 

[Ricochet J]

... a fuel source that requires more energy to produce, cannot be stored for long periods of time is not a sustainable. All we would be doing is transferring from a finite fuel source ( petroleum ) to another (uranium)

There is enough Uranium, Plutonium and other fissile material for our immediate needs. And then there's Thorium. India's three-stage Thorium nuclear power programme is an example.

What we need to be doing is creating continent wide super grids,

I agree with this, but the rest of your post is rubbish.

with a base load coming from renewable sources such as solar, wind, water (kinetic) and geothermal, with spinning generators using non renewable sources to boast in times of great load..

The energy density of renewables aren't that great. Face it - for base load we need nuclear or coal. I know which I'd rather go for.

 

[Jonny69]

I've said this in various places already, but I'm VERY surprised that diesel vehicle pollution hasn't been cracked down on yet. It was dealt with on petrol vehicles some 25 years ago but yet even brand new diesels seem to chuff out clouds of soot on acceleration.