Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

and how does this work for anyone involved in something say time or order sensitive like our entire manufacturing sector?

and who looks after the kids on this rainy Saturday?

i do love how your solution isn't "improve the road system" but instead "make it too expensive for the plebs to use".

I never said everyone has to work different hours. I explicitly only said when it is beneficial for both parties and possible then people should be allowed to work form home or choose different working days and hours. There are many benefits to this (reduced stress, increased productivity, increased employee happiness and motivation), a large reduction in road users, especially at traditional rush hour is just one of the benefits.

Obviously if people work in a store, shop, factory or a warehouse then they have no choice but to travel to work - that is fine.

the point is a majority of workers shouldn't need to leave their own home to work a majority of the time , so even enabling this to a small extent will greatly reduce pressure on roads.


You can't simply "improve the road system" in a lot of the situations. How do you improve the roads in London to allow more throughput? The simple answer is there is no practical way to do so. The effective solution has already been implemented, increased charges for driving in the central area has greatly alleviated road usage facilitating improved public transportation uptake and increased revenue to be spent on improving transportation.

Furthermore, increasing road network capacity does not scale, is still not future proof and is very costly. Reducing the amount of cars on the road is always going to be beneficial and improve the situation at relatively little cost. There are then a load of other benefits such as reduced pollution, reduced GHG emissions that will help us meet international targets and preserve the environment for the future.

By all means if you want to drive in traffic for an hour just to sit in a dull office all day go right ahead. Personally I find it much more effective to work from home, I spend no time commuting and get more done so my boss is happier.

And yes, increasing costs of driving is an important tool. The only reason we have so many drivers on the roads is the cost of driving is incredibly low by historic levels. If you ever want reduce congestion then you need to minimize the amount of road users. People need to think twice about making a trip in to town if they can simply wait a day and combine it with their visit to the hairdresser People need to be asking their work colleagues if they can share a ride, companies should be offering minibus services to pick up workers, families should be weighing up the pros and cons of owning a second car, not buying 1 each for their children on top of his and hers.

The thing is people are pretty short sighted and incredibly selfish - they don't think of the many, often personal, benefits to car sharing or cycling to work. they do think about money though and if car ownership costs increases to levels where people actually start thinking about what trips should be done and how to minimize the amount of driving then that is an easy and effective approach that generates revenue rather than costing billions.

the UK doesn't have a population density issue- it has small localized areas where the density is very high. Going forwards bug efforts need to be made in distributing the work force around the country better.
 
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There have been plenty of road upgrades in London - particularly the east - in the 15 or so years I've been down here. Not to mention if they can do Crossrail they could build more roads, cycle pathways etc, it's just a matter of will. Besides, the real problem is our A road network - can't believe the A1 hasn't been upgraded to motorway standard all the way up to Edinburgh yet.


Better than upgrading the A1 would be to extend the high speed rail form London up to Manchester and Edinburgh. A slightly faster road wont help matters much - if a large amount of passengers can be sent on high speed trains taking a few hours to go form Edinburgh to London, let alone Manchester for example, then it becomes much more attractive fro companies to set up business in the north of the UK where land prices are much cheaper. Driving doesn't sole that, someone based in Edinburgh wont wnat to drive down to London Monday and back up Tuesday morning - a high speed train makes these kinds of trips feasible.
 
I do find it comical that Farage plans to scrap HS2 despite having stood on numerous soap boxes and big'ed up the Victorian railway innovation and how great it was. Yet he seems to have no desire to bring our railways into the 20th century.

It is because Farage is just 2 faced lying scum really. Farage wants to scrap HS2 because it is expensive and so can save taxes, but it is incredibly short sighted.
 
And this comes from a immigrant in my country that's added a car plus all the pollution that goes with it.

Around 10% of the UK's population were born in another country, immigration is a drop in the water when it comes to UK population increase. He is right, road usage is virtually unaffected by immigration. It's population/lifestyle/etc changes that have seen it moon.
 
And this comes from a immigrant in my country that's added a car plus all the pollution that goes with it.

No, I work from home.

Oh, and it is not your country, you don't own it. You just happened to be born in it, same as my daughter - that is right, she is an American with a US passport:rolleyes:
 
No, I work from home.

Oh, and it is not your country, you don't own it. You just happened to be born in it, same as my daughter - that is right, she is an American with a US passport:rolleyes:


Same as me them, an immigrant ;) or a European American which ever sounds better.

Hold on if you haven't got a car how the hell do you get around? oh that's right the bread winner(the mrs) has one.
So my point still stands. :)

But it's a shame you had to leave the UK to get a better job.
 
And yes, increasing costs of driving is an important tool. The only reason we have so many drivers on the roads is the cost of driving is incredibly low by historic levels. If you ever want reduce congestion then you need to minimize the amount of road users. People need to think twice about making a trip in to town if they can simply wait a day and combine it with their visit to the hairdresser

I don't agree with that assessment and I would hate to see the already high cost of driving increase even more. Not only because it penalise people with disabilities, health problems and of older age, but also because it penalises commuters and would create massive unemployment among lower paid sector.

Cost of driving in UK is one of the highest in Europe and the world. And nobody really wants to be driving. But it's the only alternative, even in London due to absolutely off the hook extortionate prices of public transport and almost third world penetration of public transport network outside of the cities.
 
Cost of driving in UK is one of the highest in Europe and the world.

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You had a time to find a gif, you could have just googled it up and see for yourself?
 
You had a time to find a gif, you could have just googled it up and see for yourself?

Very true and it's the fuel that's the largest part. The only reason the Gov keep it that high is because people will still buy it.
 
I don't agree with that assessment and I would hate to see the already high cost of driving increase even more. Not only because it penalise people with disabilities, health problems and of older age, but also because it penalises commuters and would create massive unemployment among lower paid sector.

Cost of driving in UK is one of the highest in Europe and the world. And nobody really wants to be driving. But it's the only alternative, even in London due to absolutely off the hook extortionate prices of public transport and almost third world penetration of public transport network outside of the cities.

The cost of driving in the UK is at historic lows, which is why so many people are driving. we need to reduce the amount of drivers, that can be done with a combination of investing in public transport, increasing the costs of car ownership, reducing costs of public transport, reducing commuters, increasing car sharing, increase cyclists and pedestrian traffic, provide incentives of companies to support workers in using public transport/car sharing/cycling/walking.

You are also wrong, Car ownership in the UK is less than Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome, amongst others.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/04/daily-chart-2

Now obviously raise car ownership cost tends to affect the lower paid the greatest. However there are many ways to mitigate that. You can provide incentives to employees and employers (tax penalties or credits) for using public transport/car sharing/cycling which will hopefully more companies will allow more of their work force to work remotely more of the time, to provide their own transportation service (like many big American companies who drive buses around to pick up the workers), to setup and support schemes such as car sharing and cycle to work.

The other thing is for commuters that choose to buy a bugger house further out they should actually have more financial pressure to live closer to work due to commuting costs OR arrange with their employer increased remote work capability to offset the costs.
Better still would be to try to redistribute the London workforce around the country ore evenly so the whole 60-90minute commute is a thing of the past.
 
The labour party are not going to come out of this well. It's one thing planting somebody in UKIP to try and cause trouble but buggering it up like they have done has somewhat backfired.
 
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I imagine this is Oxford distancing itself from a UKIP candidate rather than anything else. That's hardly the image or reputation they want.

Eh? They don't really have a choice. I don't remember Cambridge ever publicly stating that Nick Griffin lied about being a student. Probably because he actually was one ;)
 
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