Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

They don't have a choice in what? A UKIP candidate lied about her educational achievement and the University took the unusual step of confirming, unprompted apparently, that she had not actually attended. I don't think the fact that she was a UKIP member was unrelated in their decision.
 
John40 said:
The labour party are not going to come out of this well. It's one thing planting somebody in UKIP to try and cause trouble but buggering it up like they have done has somewhat backfired.
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Other than conspiracy theories is there any evidence at all that she was a Labour plant? Because I don't really see this as reflecting badly on Labour just because she was once a member.
 
RDM said:
Other than conspiracy theories is there any evidence at all that she was a Labour plant? Because I don't really see this as reflecting badly on Labour just because she was once a member.
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This woman 8 weeks ago was a hard line labour party activist in the socialist republic of Tower Hamlets.

To believe that she's simply jumped ship to UKIP is staggering to say the least.
 
John40 said:
This woman 8 weeks ago was a hard line labour party activist in the socialist republic of Tower Hamlets.

To believe that she's simply jumped ship to UKIP is staggering to say the least.
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Would you not then think Labour would maybe use more of a believable person to act as the 'plant'?
 
[FnG]magnolia;27331585 said:
She did not, as confirmed by the Uni itself. In short - a UKIP member lied about her educational achievements.

Which part of this are you unclear on?
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The Telegraph are reporting she repeated the claims.
 
shouldn’t it be some kind of law against subverting intentionally a political party for political gain by joining said party and then trying to ruin a reputation in the process if its blatant.

Im still on the fence about UKIP but this is another example of disgraceful ( and what appears to be a genuine panicked & floundering main party ) smear tactics.

They are only boosting UKIP's popularity, time and time again ..

its funny the DM, Guardian, Main parties, BBC and the rest have all thrown epic levels of garbage UKIP's way but if you read any of the comments on what should be their own readers demographic they are consistently the highest rated in favour of UKIP .. much to their anger.
 
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[FnG]magnolia;27331645 said:
Are we talking at cross purposes here? Your question was whether she had or had not attended Oxford. Oxford itself has confirmed that the now ex-UKIP member had not actually done so.
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Ah sorry, I understand you now.
 
Has anyone actually got any evidence that this is a Labour plant? I know it seems relatively popular to claim this, but I don't think it helps the discussion at all. Are all the Tory defectors plants as well?

This "boo hoo we're being unfairly oppressed by the media" over being asked for such crazy things as evidence to back up claims is really childish.
 
Caged said:
Has anyone actually got any evidence that this is a Labour plant? .
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not exactly possible.

Lets face it, there are many things in life you can either say " no direct evidence not going to believe it is even remotely possible" or "I don’t need evidence to see what’s blatantly beneficial for the parties involved this to be the case"

most stuff nowadays is pure speculation, real journalism is almost dead and actually perusing the facts now everything is in the digital domain conveniently contravenes laws.

but its enough for me to think that this was not a plant , but perhaps a strange person trying to win favour ( in a weird sycophantic kind of way) with the party they truly sides with .. Labour.

perhaps just a divisive individual

.. from an MP ... ? never ;)
 
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D.P. said:
The cost of driving in the UK is at historic lows, which is why so many people are driving. we need to reduce the amount of drivers

You are also wrong, Car ownership in the UK is less than Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Rome, amongst others.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/04/daily-chart-2
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You are confusing cost of acquiring a car with cost of ownership, because the graph you posted actually shows that running costs in London are one of the highest in Europe (light blue bars), even despite the fact the graph averages all capitals by using the same mileages, whereas we do more commuter miles in UK than many European counties, therefore we do pay even more due to higher distances travelled on top of overall higher cost per mile.

Now obviously raise car ownership cost tends to affect the lower paid the greatest. However there are many ways to mitigate that. You can provide incentives to employees and employers (tax penalties or credits) for using public transport.
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The only incentive people need to use public transport is for it to present at all and be affordable. End of. First hand experience. I live 36 miles by nearest train from my work place. 44 miles by car. The HS1 train with underground travel card costs £45.10 a day plus £5.70 to park by the station. Journey by car costs me £16 in fuel door to door. Not because motoring is cheap, but because public transport is insanely overpriced.

So of course I commute by car. I don't want to do it, but I have to do it. I will not leave extra £700 a month to pubic transport to travel to London with few changeovers on the way, just because they lost touch with reality.

Now, with prices of public transport this high, I can't imagine any young person in my town ever starting work in capital just 36 miles away, simply because if they were to earn national minimum wage at the start of their career they would have literally couple of quid left in their pocket after paying weekly travel costs.
 
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v0n said:
You are confusing cost of acquiring a car with cost of ownership, because the graph you posted actually shows that running costs in London are one of the highest in Europe (light blue bars), even despite the fact the graph averages all capitals by using the same mileages, whereas we do more commuter miles in UK than many European counties, therefore we do pay even more due to higher distances travelled on top of overall higher cost per mile.



The only incentive people need to use public transport is for it to present at all and be affordable. End of. First hand experience. I live 36 miles by nearest train from my work place. 44 miles by car. The HS1 train with underground travel card costs £45.10 a day plus £5.70 to park by the station. Journey by car costs me £16 in fuel door to door. Not because motoring is cheap, but because public transport is insanely overpriced.

So of course I commute by car. I don't want to do it, but I have to do it. I will not leave extra £700 a month to pubic transport to travel to London with few changeovers on the way, just because they lost touch with reality.

Now, with prices of public transport this high, I can't imagine any young person in my town ever starting work in capital just 36 miles away, simply because if they were to earn national minimum wage at the start of their career they would have literally couple of quid left in their pocket after paying weekly travel costs.
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I was referring to total car ownership which is car purchase cost + running costs.
Then there is the fact that fuel costs in the UK are not too dissimilar to many other Europe countries.
http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info

If your claim that British people drive more due to commuting then that is just proof that there is a major issue that needs to be resolved we need to try hard to reduce the number of commuters.

Similarly, your evidence of costs just shows how cheap driving is and why further incentives need to be made such that public transport is financially preferable like it is is other European cities.
 
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D.P. said:
I was referring to total car ownership which is car purchase cost + running costs.
Then there is the fact that fuel costs in the UK are not too dissimilar to many other Europe countries.
http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info

If your claim that British people drive more due to commuting then that is just proof that there is a major issue that needs to be resolved we need to try hard to reduce the number of commuters.

Similarly, your evidence of costs just shows how cheap driving is and why further incentives need to be made such that public transport is financially preferable like it is is other European cities.
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The problem is your trying to raise the cost of cars before you lower the cost of public transport.

Heck make public transport a viable, quick, safe and cheap option and people will use it without you needlessly making car travel more expensive.
 
That's the core problem, isn't it?

Car owners are reviled as evil polluters and taxed to perdition without public transport being a viable option unless you live and work in the same large city.

Even then, public transport is expensive, overcrowded and unreliable.
 
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