Breaking News: Hostages taken in Sydney

[Amp34]

You make him sound like a victim!

I will quote one of my previous posts for the "slow" amongst us...

I do question how anyone in their right minds think I am defending anything he has done or him at all...? It just shows the blinkered nature of certain people on this forum which led me to post what I did in my first post.

 

[Amp34]

You're in complete denial.

As you quoted multiple questions you could at least try answering some...

 

[scorza]

As you quoted multiple questions you could at least try answering some...

You're deliberately asking the wrong questions to misdirect and create uncertainty about the role radical Islam played in this awful event.

 

[Amnesia]

Trying to say he was mentally ill, which he may have been

naaa 40+ sexual and indecent assaults is the norm

 

[Amp34]

You're deliberately asking the wrong questions to misdirect and create uncertainty about the role radical Islam played in this awful event.

What are the right questions then?

naaa 40+ sexual and indecent assaults is the norm

It is for a Muslim, haven't you heard?

 

[Nate75]

"News footage showed hostages in the cafe holding up a black and white flag displaying the Shahada, a testament to the faith of Muslims. The flag has been popular among Sunni Islamist militant groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda"!

 

[Tefal]

It is for a Muslim, haven't you heard?

had a look at the sexual abuse stats for islamic countries?

 

[Above&Beyond]

Did he proclaim a jihad? Did he proclaim he was doing what he was doing for Islam? Did he have any links to ISIS? Was the siege a typical ISIS/Islamic fundamentalist attack? Why instead were his demands to talk to the prime minister live on air and for a flag?

If not why?

Why don't you go and read the link up the page... The writer is far more eloquent than me.

I'm picturing this guy when you post:

 

[Stretch]

The point is did he do it in the name of Islam after becoming radicalised, or did he do it because he was a mentally unstable, violent person who decided he would "pin his colours to the mast".

I don't think it's reasonable to conclude that "Islam" isn't a factor in the large number of violent act committed round the world, in various countries.

People quibble about what Islam is/isn't, but it's hard to ignore the fact that a significant number of people who identify themselves as Muslim are prepared to commit acts of extreme violence in the name of Islam, or their brand of Islam. They can't all be mad, and they can't all be that confused.

 

[Amnesia]

had a look at the sexual abuse stats for islamic countries?

sexual assaults happened in Sydney btw.


BBC

He was a self-styled Muslim cleric, but had been rejected by both Sunni and Shia members of the Sydney Muslim community, according to Keysar Trad, founder of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia.

"This man is damaged goods. He came across as someone with a serious mental illness," Mr Trad told ABC TV on Tuesday.

In 2009, Monis was convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers who died while serving in Afghanistan.

In some of his letters, he called the soldiers "killers" and "murderers".

In December 2013 Monis was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, and given bail.

Monis's ex-wife was allegedly stabbed 18 times and set alight in an apartment stairwell in April 2013.

Monis was also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges. These relate to time allegedly spent as a self-proclaimed "spiritual healer" in western Sydney

but yea sure he was a sane upstanding individual.

 

[Danthus]

Do those criminal acts render him insane, not necessarily.

 

[Amnesia]

Insane
Not sane; not of sound mind.



Read that list again and give an honest answer, do you think he was of sound mind ?



Oh and don't forget to include his latest action in the list.

 

[DJMK4]

Surprised he wasnt being watched under a more careful eye tbh

 

[Demon]

Do those criminal acts render him insane, not necessarily.

And that is the thing..

Many of the traits this guy portrayed are seemingly shared by many ISIS members are they not?

Beheadings, death threats, and generally looniness are pretty much how a western society views the beliefs of ISIS and I'm struggling to see the clear distinction between their beliefs/behaviour and this nut-job..

 

[dowie]

Well exactly - are all the tens of thousands of ISIS members mentally ill? (rather unlikely) Or do they just subscribe to a radical belief system that allows them to justify what to the rest of us are abhorrent acts.

This guy might be mentally ill, he might not - but people claiming this has nothing to do with Islam and asserting that he is mentally ill really are just sticking their heads in the sand.

 

[Amp34]

I'm picturing this guy when you post:

Then you're an idiot.


I'll leave all you xenophobics to your little circle jerk now. I've said my piece.

I just advise all of you to actually read the article that I posted earlier...

 

[fatdog]

had a look at the sexual abuse stats for islamic countries?

Shocking!

Cultural jihad?

 

[fatdog]

He was a Shia Muslim who converted to a Sunni Muslim.

potato, potatoe

 

[SteveOBHave]

Well exactly - are all the tens of thousands of ISIS members mentally ill? (rather unlikely) Or do they just subscribe to a radical belief system that allows them to justify what to the rest of us are abhorrent acts.

This guy might be mentally ill, he might not - but people claiming this has nothing to do with Islam and asserting that he is mentally ill really are just sticking their heads in the sand.

I don't agree - I just think that they're looking at the bigger picture which takes into account the mans character and previous history. I get a real feeling that blaming 'Islam' is an easier way to bring 'reason' to something that is fundamentally unreasonable.

As for tens of thousands of ISIS recruits. Out of the 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, does it seem reasonable that 22,000 of them might be nutjobs or social outcasts that have gravitated toward an accepting and familiar organisation where they feel that they're finally doing something that fits into their own twisted and dark interpretation of how life should be? It doesn't strike me as being outside the realms of possibility.

 

[dowie]

It seems fairly improbable that they've managed to form an organisation of tens of thousands of mentally ill people, yes.

You've also already been shown research which has highlighted that plenty of terrorists are well educated, intelligent individuals - not mentally ill. Just because you can't fathom how someone could justify such acts doesn't mean that those people are necessarily suffering from mental illness.

Was Nazi Germany suffering from mass mental illness? Or was there perhaps an ideological issue there? A poisonous belief system that lead to people being perceived as less than human or even a threat to the rest of humanity/society and therefore allowing for abhorrent treatment to be justified.