I think there needs to be more info on the psychological dangers of weed. If people (well mainly teens) think oh well its safe as a medicine, then i'm ok to smoke it... There are lots of people that end up with anxiety and dissociation because of it... I think its far more dangerous than we're all lead to believe.. Great if they take out the THC, but the people that smoke it with friends probably will not know that.
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My understanding is that what is actually happening is that the Home Office have laid out acceptance criteria for a hypothetical road-side drug test. Companies are now being offered the chance to bid to supply such a product. No such product has been accepted yet, although several claim to be able to do instant drug testing in people. The police are not yet testing any.
the problem with weed is that as any drug there is an addiction.
I grew up with my dad monged out of his face from the moment he awoke to the moment he went to bed.
Wake up 5am for work make coffee roll one,
smoke one
roll another for trip to work
smoke it on trip to work
nip out on a break and do another
etc.
I have never done any drugs, but looking from the outside in, I am partial to a drink in the evening to unwind or whatever my excuse in. It is actually probably better for me to smoke weed than it is to stick 12 units down my neck for my liver to sort out for me.
I grew up with my dad monged out of his face from the moment he awoke to the moment he went to bed.
Wake up 5am for work make coffee roll one,
smoke one
roll another for trip to work
smoke it on trip to work
nip out on a break and do another
etc.
I have never done any drugs, but looking from the outside in, I am partial to a drink in the evening to unwind or whatever my excuse in. It is actually probably better for me to smoke weed than it is to stick 12 units down my neck for my liver to sort out for me.
Unfortunately it seems THC is one of the main ingredients which helps crohns disease from what I've been reading.
You'll have to continue with the non-legal weed!
They blood test in Denmark. Many, many people have been shafted because of weed in their system from days previous. (fines, driving ban...)
But that's the only way to test effectively. Police have setup roadside facilities to take blood samples so there's really no escaping.
I remember reading that people were being banned from driving for three years for having weed in their blood.
I believe they do the same in Germany as well.
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Is there more reliable information? like journal articles. From My research a while ago, cannabinoid based substances help, but have major cognitive side effects and were about as effective as codeine phosphate.
I used to smoke cannabis when i was younger, but didn't find the effect to be that great. I found no matter how much i smoked it there was only a small reduction in pain, although it did help with nausea and made sleeping easier. For me, i found morphine combined with amitriptyline much more effective, and, just as importantly less severe cognitive effects.
It would be good though if more research into cannabinoid derivatives with less severe side effects could be found. And hopefully find other drugs without the drawbacks of long term opioid use.
I've been using morphine now since 2001, a combination of mst (slow release that lasts for 12 hours) and normal tablets. Have discussed several times with my gp in chagning to methadone, which might be more effective given its NMDA Receptor antagonism with less side effects. but its negative reputation and long half-life as well as having to go through another titration phase put me off.
I used to smoke cannabis when i was younger, but didn't find the effect to be that great. I found no matter how much i smoked it there was only a small reduction in pain, although it did help with nausea and made sleeping easier. For me, i found morphine combined with amitriptyline much more effective, and, just as importantly less severe cognitive effects.
It would be good though if more research into cannabinoid derivatives with less severe side effects could be found. And hopefully find other drugs without the drawbacks of long term opioid use.
I've been using morphine now since 2001, a combination of mst (slow release that lasts for 12 hours) and normal tablets. Have discussed several times with my gp in chagning to methadone, which might be more effective given its NMDA Receptor antagonism with less side effects. but its negative reputation and long half-life as well as having to go through another titration phase put me off.
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He still managed to bring you into the world and provide for you. You can be addicted to anything psychologically if you like it enough.
Anyways, Why you guys moaning about driving impairment. This medical cannabis ecig has no THC, that's the stuff that gets you high, no THC no high.
Infact i got my fingers crossed this can be a remedy for my mums chronic post-brain op migraines. She's tried many types of pills from the doctor but none have helped her alleviate the pain, this could be it!
It's just a blood sample, same as they use for testing for any drug.
Methadone is no more effective an analgesic and has a number of additional drug interactions due to it's serotonergic properties that make less desirable than morphine really.
which police cant do at the roadside and i didn't think they could do at the station hence why it was all breath tests.
how long will it take from arrest to saple as that for many drugs could be enough time dfor the levels to have dropped.
no high doesn't mean no impairment the other canaboids will also have effects..
try driving when you've been up for 36 hours, you aint high but you sure as **** aint functioning properly.
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What effects?
Well documented effects related to potential impairment for driving would be:
Asthenia
Ataxia
Disorientation
Dizziness/vertigo
Drowsiness
Dysphoria (an affect associated with reduced concentration)
Euphoria (an affect associated with reduced concentration)
Migraine
Nausea
Salivary inhibition
Sleep disturbance
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My experience of impairment while driving is fairly limited as I'd never get high and drive straight after, but maybe after a couple of hours. I find I focus more on the road, but am perhaps less aware of unexpected things, if that makes sense. My reaction to someone pulling out in front of me, for example, would be slower than normal, but I don't think it would be any worse than, for example, a father arguing with his children in the car. I know we certainly had some hair raising moments as children.
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Do they have reliable ways to tell if a driver has been smoking the Weed ?
I don't fancy driving about with untold Weed heads behind the wheel.
http://www.businessinsider.com/it-t...ctually-make-you-a-better-driver-2011-12?IR=T
No idea, but afaik the police already do blood tests for alcohol if people refuse a breathalyser.
The fact that plasma levels have dropped doesn't matter so much as it can be extrapolated backwards.
i don't think they can legally "extrapolate" as if there's a delay in the breathalysers long enough from the road side to the one in the station people drop below the limit then there's nothing the police can do.
they have to prove it at the time.
Also if they're refusing a breath test then surely they'd refuse a blood test they cant do it forcibly you get charged for failing to provide a sample.
Tefal post #30 answers your question in relation to dope, alcohol does clear quicker from the system therefore any delay makes extrapolation hard and therefore why people who are really over the limit may chose to refuse to give a sample even accepting the penalty that will ensue.
If they refuse then the penalty should simply be the same as driving under the influence and then you have no legal issues. There's a lot of clinical data that allows drug levels to be extrapolated, each drug follows a standard pattern. If police were able to do a road side blood test this would be a solution as well.
I don't think you could ever legaly extrapolate due to different people having different metabolisms.
It will always be a fixed limit you have to be over at time of test. But what I'm asking is with it being a blood test can this be done at a police station or will we have a massive que of suspects at a&e waiting for a sample to be taken.