NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Launch Date Revealed

setter · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:24

humbug said:
He's still using 4, still with overclocks, still with over volting, still with added 150 Watt ontop of the AMD GPU's BPL.

So do you want him to run one of each card at stock then? Because i highly suspect that the results will still show the 980 using less.

Kaapstad · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:26

humbug said:
He's still using 4, still with overclocks, still with over volting, still with added 150 Watt ontop of the AMD GPU's BPL. and still only know what his averages are.

When I ran the 290Xs @stock it was just that @stock

Here are the settings used.

humbug · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:29

setter said:
So do you want him to run one of each card at stock then? Because i highly suspect that the results will still show the 980 using less.

You might be right.

As it stands, adding 150 Watts ontop of AMD BPL and then adding in an element potential of bottlenecking, and try make it white that this is how all these GPU behave out of the box just doesn't wash.

Of course thats is not how they run out of the box.

Kaapstad · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:31

setter said:
So do you want him to run one of each card at stock then? Because i highly suspect that the results will still show the 980 using less.

I am glad I have to go to work so don't have the time to do any more testing.

I suspect that whatever testing I do won't matter as I don't think Humbug will ever be satisfied.

Darujhistan · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:35

bru said:
Oh well I tried.

Lets just get one thing straight.

All these numbers mean nothing, absolutely nothing. Why I hear you ask.

Well for a start everybody will play each game differently whereas humbug and andy might be of similar age to me I can assure you that their reflexes are way better than mine, so for that same 1 hours gameplay I will spend a lot more of it dead than they will so the GPU wont be working as hard rendering what is going on all the time.

You really want to know how much energy you Computer uses ?
go take an reading off of your electricity meter, then sit there doing whatever you normally do (but not on the computer) for a set period (3 hours for example) go take another reading, now go do what you normally do but play games for the same period, take a reading.
That is how much your computer uses and it is really the only number you have to worry about as that is the numbers you will be billed for. Good luck arguing with your electricity supplier that the measuring system they use isn't accurate enough.

Anyone can pull numbers together to say what they want and there will always be someone to disagree with them.

Also 84% of stats on the internet are made up if you didn't know.

Now can we get back to talking about the 960 and don't even try to say that the last few pages has been about the 960 because that is billyhooks, you guys have just been arguing because you don't know how to stop.

Top post.

Sums the whole tragedy up perfectly.

humbug · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:37

Kaapstad said:
I am glad I have to go to work so don't have the time to do any more testing.

I suspect that whatever testing I do won't matter as I don't think Humbug will ever be satisfied.

I just don't understand why you refuse to run one and as it should be.

Why make such an elaborate fuss about it and the suggest "well if you calculate my elaborate testing with all of its unknown variables the you will know".

kaap, if i calculate all the known variables then i come up with a potential figure that has the 290X's at least as efficient as the 980's as one of those variables is a potential 150 Watts worth of excess BPL on the AMD GPU's.

Should i just draw that conclusion?

Gregster · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:39

Kaapstad said:
I am glad I have to go to work so don't have the time to do any more testing.

I suspect that whatever testing I do won't matter as I don't think Humbug will ever be satisfied.

Ignore him and carry on. Some of us appreciate what is what and take bias out of the equation. I fully expect the 960 to be a peach on power draw as well and for small cases, this could be a Godsend.

Kaapstad · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:40

humbug said:
I just don't understand why you refuse to run one and as it should be.

Why make such an elaborate fuss about it and the suggest "well if you calculate my elaborate testing with all of its unknown variables the you will know".

kaap, if i calculate all the known variables then i come up with a potential figure that has the 290X's at least as efficient as the 980's as one of those variables is a potential 150 Watts worth of excess BPL on the AMD GPU's.

Should i just draw that conclusion?

Why don't you measure the power usage of your 290P on TR and post the result.

Then myself and other 980 owners can do the same to compare.

humbug · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:41

Kaapstad said:
Why don't you measure the power usage of your 290P on TR and post the result.

Then myself and other 980 owners can do the same to compare.

I already know what it is, its 230 Watts, Max.

Kaapstad · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:45

humbug said:
I already know what it is, its 230 Watts, Max.

Is that with or without the CPU and the rest of the system, you need to be precise so people can compare.

humbug · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:51

Kaapstad said:
Is that with or without the CPU and the rest of the system, you need to be precise so people can compare.

Thats the GPU alone.

You can't compare systems, mine is very different to 95% of members rigs.

Tonester0011 · 3 Jan 2015 at 16:59

humbug said:
I just don't understand why you refuse to run one and as it should be.

Why make such an elaborate fuss about it and the suggest "well if you calculate my elaborate testing with all of its unknown variables the you will know".

kaap, if i calculate all the known variables then i come up with a potential figure that has the 290X's at least as efficient as the 980's as one of those variables is a potential 150 Watts worth of excess BPL on the AMD GPU's.

Should i just draw that conclusion?

Yeah, efficient isn't the word i would use.
When the 290Xs were using the same wattage as the 980s they were 100+FPS behind the 980s.

That's the opposite of efficient.

Davedree · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:01

Tonester0011 said:
Yeah, efficient isn't the word i would use.
When the 290Xs were using the same wattage as the 980s they were 100+FPS behind the 980s.

That's the opposite of efficient.

at 1080p

Gregster · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:03

humbug said:
Thats the GPU alone.

You can't compare systems, mine is very different to 95% of members rigs.

I assume you are running a separate PSU on a MM for that?

Tonester0011 · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:03

Davedree said:
at 1080p

That's the only tests that have been done for me to draw any conclusions, so yes. 1080p.
Both @4k the 290x will no doubt claw back some efficiency points. Not enough to come to this conclusion though:

290X's at least as efficient as the 980's

rare · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:05

With the 970 already at a decent price these are going to have to be pretty cheap, otherwise there won't be any point in buying the more powerful version.

Davedree · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:08

Davedree said:
Be aware they are only significantly faster at 1080p, so the consumption vs framerate is undeniably brilliant. However consumption increases to both 980's and 290x's at 1440p and 4k, the 980's still excel in power consumption but the significant framerate advantage to Nvidia is eradicated.

Tonester0011 said:
That's the only tests that have been done for me to draw any conclusions, so yes. 1080p.
Both @4k the 290x will no doubt claw back some efficiency points. Not enough to come to this conclusion though:

Davedree · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:09

tonester missed you little quote in bottom '290X's at least as efficient as the 980's'

I agree with you.

setter · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:10

rare said:
With the 970 already at a decent price these are going to have to be pretty cheap, otherwise there won't be any point in buying the more powerful version.

I still reckon £170.00 ono. Currently 760 price range. Looking on ocuk, the 770 is still too close to the price of some 970 models.

Kaapstad · 3 Jan 2015 at 17:10

Gregster said:
I assume you are running a separate PSU on a MM for that?

Even that would not work as the card gets watts through the PCI-E slot.

It is very hard to separate GPU usage from the rest of the system.

Probably the best way to do it would be to start with a 4 card system and measure usage and then turn off the cards one at a time measuring and calculating the difference until you get down to one card.

Unfortunately Tom's don't normally have 4 x 980s laying around to do this so when I am not working for Humbugs benefit I will do it.