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x4 750k vx G3258?

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Right guys, for ages i've been wanting to jump ship over to Intel but it's gonna be a costly jump. I'm thinking of cutting the cost a little and buying a mb and a G3258 now so i can just buy a better processor later down the line.

Is it worth if so can someone link me a good motherboard? As cheap as possible would be great I'm after an ATX not mATX they are just too fiddly.

Is it worth the slight upgrade over the 750k or should i just save (it'll be a few months) and go straight to a better CPU (I'm thinking an i5 4690k)?
 
the 750k to a pentium k would be a sidegrade and a waste of time / money.

So I'd save for something better.

What's the rest of the system? might might not be the cpu holding you back. And have you overclocked it?
 
JustCallMeVlad said:
I look at it in a different way. Buy a nice cheap Z97 board and the Pentium now and when you're ready grab a used 4670K or 4770K.
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A nice cheap board isn't good enough to overclock a high end CPU. So you need to buy a half ways decent board and they're not cheap. Mine in ITX form was closing in on £90. For £100 you can get a 6300 and board.

Plus give Intel a few months and they will no longer even make the CPUs you mention.

I've got a Pentium and trust me, they're not worth having for anything more than a media PC. Mine is a crap clocker, couldn't even get 4.4ghz out of it so its running bone stock and it's as crap as you would expect a dual core CPU to be.

It's Intel's fault. Once again they are being far too precious of cores.
 
ALXAndy said:
A nice cheap board isn't good enough to overclock a high end CPU. So you need to buy a half ways decent board and they're not cheap. Mine in ITX form was closing in on £90. For £100 you can get a 6300 and board.

Plus give Intel a few months and they will no longer even make the CPUs you mention.

I've got a Pentium and trust me, they're not worth having for anything more than a media PC. Mine is a crap clocker, couldn't even get 4.4ghz out of it so its running bone stock and it's as crap as you would expect a dual core CPU to be.

It's Intel's fault. Once again they are being far too precious of cores.
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Andy,

Any Z97 board will take a Pentium to 5Ghz with good cooling. They only use like 100W. Z97 boards are designed for overclocking the quad cores
 
JustCallMeVlad said:
Andy,

Any Z97 board will take a Pentium to 5Ghz with good cooling. They only use like 100W. Z97 boards are designed for overclocking the quad cores
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Mine has a 4 pin connector.

The cheapest Z97 I can find is £71. Making the total cost with a Pentium around £120 ish.

Again, for £100 you can buy a FX 6300 with a MATX board and it will absolutely trounce the Pentium in anything but single threaded tests and applications, of which there aren't many.
 
ALXAndy said:
Mine has a 4 pin connector.

The cheapest Z97 I can find is £71. Making the total cost with a Pentium around £120 ish.

Again, for £100 you can buy a FX 6300 with a MATX board and it will absolutely trounce the Pentium in anything but single threaded tests and applications, of which there aren't many.
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Proof of trouncing please. Would love to see a 6300 perform this good in BF4 Multiplayer

 
JustCallMeVlad said:
Proof of trouncing please. Would love to see a 6300 perform this good in BF4 Multiplayer

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Oh come on now. Seriously you actually asked me to provide evidence that a hex core CPU can beat a dual core CPU? Really?!?!

Put it like this. The FX 6300 walked all over the Ivy I3, so that really doesn't leave the Pentium with a snow flake's chance in heck.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...cessor-Review-Vishera-Breaks-Cover/Conclusion

So what do we actually get with this release? Well, it is a bittersweet release for AMD. The pricing on these parts is not only competitive, it undercuts Intel by a significant amount across the board. The 8350 is very competitive with the 3570K, and it can be had for $30 less. The 6300 will walk all over the Intel products that exist at the $132 price point, and in fact is more competitive in terms of performance with the $185 Intel products. Again, we get a nice $50 discount for essentially the same performance. In these cases though, expect the AMD CPU to consume more power. Would it be enough to make one nervous about energy bills? Not really.

/bias mode = off.
 
One thing to take into account is that you don't need a expensive board to clock Haswell. A budget board will do just as well as a expensive board when it comes to overclocking unless using extreme voltages and cooling such as LN2. The cpu is the limiting factor now as Haswell is a pretty poor clocker. I can clock my 4670K in my Wifes Gigabyte B85M D3H, a board that cost me around £40, exactly the same as I can in my Asus Hero VI. Whether you would want to miss out on the features of a more expensive board is another thing altogether.

You can clock a G3258 in certain H81 and B85 boards and on this forum I have seen the following results:-

Asus B85M-G - Best result seen 4.5Ghz (cpu ran out of steam)
Asus H81M-plus - Best result seen 4.7Ghz (also 4.5Ghz)
Asus H81M-E - Best result seen 4.5Ghz (stock cooler)
Gigabyte B85M-D2V - Best result seen 4.4Ghz (stock cooler)

Saying a G3258 will hit 5Ghz is all well and good but most of them run out of steam well before that. Someone in the overclocking section of the forum can't even hit 4.5Ghz on a Z87 board and I have seen plenty similar tales with Z97 boards that cost 3x the price of the cpu.

Personally I wouldn't buy a G3258. I think they are overpriced for what they are and if you want to go down the Intel road you are better either saving up for a £93 motherboard such as the Asus Z97-K or Gigabyte Z97X-SLI and a 4690k or going second hand. If you are going to make the switch from AMD to Intel do it in one go. Going from a quad core to a dual core is a move you may end up regretting.
 
5ghz is your golden CPU. The best I saw in a review was 4.8ghz.

As I have said though, this is all well and good if you're running Cinebench on a single core, but pretty much everything else and they fall apart.

They were a toy from Intel for the overclockers to play with, that's about it.

Now if they released an unlocked I3 for £70-£80? we'd have a real winner on our hands.

But this is Intel we are talking of here, and they won't have none of it. It's either nothing or everything with nothing in between which is why AMD are still very much in business.

Whether that's intentional of Intel? I have no idea. But what I do know is that if they wanted AMD to go away they could easily achieve it.
 
Save up and get a proper upgrade rather than upgrading to the pentium and then again. Its cheaper to buy once right then twice. Even if you got a good board and the pentium you will still have blown cash.
 
Deus Ex said:
Save up and get a proper upgrade rather than upgrading to the pentium and then again. Its cheaper to buy once right then twice. Even if you got a good board and the pentium you will still have blown cash.
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This man talks much sense.

The Pentium is a toy and nothing more, unless you're knocking up a rig for your gran to surf on.

It's kinda like fast food. You buy one and you're not satisfied, then you end up spending more.
 
ALXAndy said:
Oh come on now. Seriously you actually asked me to provide evidence that a hex core CPU can beat a dual core CPU? Really?!?!

Put it like this. The FX 6300 walked all over the Ivy I3, so that really doesn't leave the Pentium with a snow flake's chance in heck.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...cessor-Review-Vishera-Breaks-Cover/Conclusion

So what do we actually get with this release? Well, it is a bittersweet release for AMD. The pricing on these parts is not only competitive, it undercuts Intel by a significant amount across the board. The 8350 is very competitive with the 3570K, and it can be had for $30 less. The 6300 will walk all over the Intel products that exist at the $132 price point, and in fact is more competitive in terms of performance with the $185 Intel products. Again, we get a nice $50 discount for essentially the same performance. In these cases though, expect the AMD CPU to consume more power. Would it be enough to make one nervous about energy bills? Not really.

/bias mode = off.
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I love playing Cinebench and 7Zip they are so much fun.

My choice would be to save longer and go for an i5 or i7. No point spending £50 on a CPU just to wait a few months then buy another one anyway.
 
So what I'm getting from this is save for an i5? My Cpu is the bottleneck of my rig right now I've got MSI 7950 TFIII. It's just buying in one im looking at a good chunk of money. Atleast £250 but if I split is £120 now then £170 later. IM really only looking at a £50 loss over a few months which I'm okay with as long as the step to the g3258 is atleast on par with my 750k and its a bonus if better.
 
ALXAndy said:
Oh come on now. Seriously you actually asked me to provide evidence that a hex core CPU can beat a dual core CPU? Really?!?!

Put it like this. The FX 6300 walked all over the Ivy I3, so that really doesn't leave the Pentium with a snow flake's chance in heck.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...cessor-Review-Vishera-Breaks-Cover/Conclusion

So what do we actually get with this release? Well, it is a bittersweet release for AMD. The pricing on these parts is not only competitive, it undercuts Intel by a significant amount across the board. The 8350 is very competitive with the 3570K, and it can be had for $30 less. The 6300 will walk all over the Intel products that exist at the $132 price point, and in fact is more competitive in terms of performance with the $185 Intel products. Again, we get a nice $50 discount for essentially the same performance. In these cases though, expect the AMD CPU to consume more power. Would it be enough to make one nervous about energy bills? Not really.

/bias mode = off.
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6300 is garbage. Amd is garbage. I wouldnt wish it on my enemy. It should be avoided at all costs
 
^ Trolls gonna troll

750k to Pentium k is pretty pointless. Wait until you have the funds to get something which is actually better, and go straight in. No point handing over real money for a sidegrade or minor upgrade, why bother at all?
 
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