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x4 750k vx G3258?

My youngest has a Pentium K, it clocks to 4.4 easy peesy on the stock cooler with the cheapest Z97 Gigabyte board.

It kicks the crap out of my eldests 6300 in everything that does not need more than a couple of cores, which is everything the youngest does.

In a couple of years it will be replaced with a second hand i5 and then it will kick the crap out of the 6300 in everything.

That said, the 6300 is worth it's salt; Just. The eldest has no complaints because he does not know better really. It has been very, very stable over the past couple of years though... we will have to wait and see with the Pentim K system.
 
The Pentium K will be better than the 750K in the majority of games if you overclock it (and in general you'll only see it if your GPU is being held back in the first place). I don't think it's going to be an incredible difference though.

If all you're worried about is having equal performance now with the option to upgrade later, then by all means grab a Z97 board with the Pentium.

Second hand is also something worth considering; you can get some incredible power for your money - you could probably pick up a 2600k or 3770k for a very decent price.
 
The Pentium K will be better than the 750K in the majority of games if you overclock it (and in general you'll only see it if your GPU is being held back in the first place). I don't think it's going to be an incredible difference though.

If all you're worried about is having equal performance now with the option to upgrade later, then by all means grab a Z97 board with the Pentium.

Second hand is also something worth considering; you can get some incredible power for your money - you could probably pick up a 2600k or 3770k for a very decent price.

I'm not above going second hand. Will a 2600k or a 3770k run on a z97 board though? Also any idea how much a second hand one would be?
 
I'm not above going second hand. Will a 2600k or a 3770k run on a z97 board though? Also any idea how much a second hand one would be?

Nope, you will need a socket 1150 CPU for z97. 2600K and 3770k are socket 1155. You can get a second hand i5 4670k for about £130 if you have access to MM. If not £150 from ebay.
 
6300 is garbage. Amd is garbage. I wouldnt wish it on my enemy. It should be avoided at all costs

Unfounded nonsense.

I love playing Cinebench and 7Zip they are so much fun.

My choice would be to save longer and go for an i5 or i7. No point spending £50 on a CPU just to wait a few months then buy another one anyway.

Cinebench is an encoding benchmark, which, is useful for working out what a CPU can do when it's fully loaded. 7zip? how many of us decompress RAR files or large ZIP files? I know I do ! (cough cough splutter).

Another thing people seem to be forgetting is multi tasking, something the AMDs are really bloody good at.

It's actually one of the most important tests you can do with a CPU, because none of us use a rig for one thing and we're constantly opening and closing applications and programs.

If you think two cores are still enough then that's your lookout. Practically every single game, and even more so the newer ones, want cores. A dual core CPU these days is nothing but a curiosity and only because you can overclock it.

In everything else the AMD absolutely trounces it.
 
It's actually one of the most important tests you can do with a CPU, because none of us use a rig for one thing and we're constantly opening and closing applications and programs.

You keep saying this in a lot of your posts, but it is one of luxury.

People can turn off superfluous applications when gaming for better performance.

You often say get more cores than you need for when multitasking etc, but you never seem to acknowledge that it is possible to just have the application that you are using open.
 
You keep saying this in a lot of your posts, but it is one of luxury.

People can turn off superfluous applications when gaming for better performance.

You often say get more cores than you need for when multitasking etc, but you never seem to acknowledge that it is possible to just have the application that you are using open.

In reality you are always going to be doing more than one thing and running more than one program.

Don't believe me? simply open up msconfig and look at what loads up. then load up task manager and look at all of the underworkings of Windows that are also running.

In this day and age we all have to use AV software. Well again, the more cores you have the more Windows works the cores and distributes the load evenly.

Gaming benchmarks are usually done on a rig with a completely fresh install of Windows running absolutely nothing. It isn't a realistic representation of what a computer actually has to do in someone's house.

I run an 8 core Xeon clocked to 2ghz and it absolutely decimates the 4670k in OSX. The benchmark results are over double what the 4670k can do.

MACs have been using multiple CPUs and cores for years. It's actually stock standard on a MAC to be using more than one CPU and this goes all the way back to the days of a dual G4 machine. They weren't just there for fun...

Today? it's bonkers to suggest that a dual core CPU of any stature can beat a 6 core CPU with reasonable core performance. When I say reasonable I mean, when overclocked the 6300 can actually stand up there with the Core I7 920. In fact, in certain tests it will beat it.

That's a lot of CPU for £70 odd. Vishera was a good refresh from AMD and bought a 15% gain over Bulldozer, and Windows 8 actually knows how to use more than four cores and address them properly, unlike Windows 7. Windows 7, even on Intel will require all sorts of hacks like core parking to get the OS to see them properly.

So if anything the FX series are now better than ever. Too good for a dual core CPU no matter how fast it runs.

I maintain. If Intel released a cheapish dual core with HT then it could actually compete with the 6300. It still wouldn't beat it in heavily threaded tests due to the sheer numbers of the cores. Only the 4670k can beat it convincingly and it costs over double the price !

It's Intel's fault. No one else's. Maybe they are legally bound not to kill off AMD due to monopoly laws? maybe they really are just that greedy and tight?

Who knows?

But I will hold firm on this one. The 6300 will laugh at the Pentium.
 
In reality you are always going to be doing more than one thing and running more than one program.

Don't believe me? simply open up msconfig and look at what loads up. then load up task manager and look at all of the underworkings of Windows that are also running.

Yes; Most of which are superfluous tasks that the savvy user knows to turn off at start up.

Freeing up the CPU from unnecessary tasks to get better performance when focusing on one task is hardily a new thing.


You are totally missing the fact that, for no extra money one can start on the Z97 Platform instead of AM3+, then swap out the G3258 later. Again not losing any cash because this is now second hand prices, and there is the inherent value of the G3258.



But I will hold firm on this one. The 6300 will laugh at the Pentium.
And the G3258 laughs at the 6300, they both laugh at each other because each are better than the other at different times.

The last laugh is the system the user ends up with... Namely the motherboard platform.
 
why are people getting bent out of shape for the G3258?

so what you can overclock it, whats the point on overclocking a low end cpu. just buy a better cpu -> the cost of the cooling and additional space for a small grade PC is not worth it...

the G3258 is just a party piece.

Id go i3 + H81 for the same price. better alround.
 
Cost of cooling what? The G3258 will happily do 4.3 on the stock cooler. Ours happily does 4.4 on one.

The whole point of the G3258 is that it is overclockable, it beats my 2500k in single threaded tasks clock for clock as an example.

It is an awesome CPU, it is cheap and it is fast; and it leaves you with a great upgrade route should you find you need more cores.

If you *know* you will only need a couple of threads right now for what you do, the G3258 is a no brainer.
 
Is the AMD overclocked at all?
Really can't believe people are suggesting the upgrade to a pentium/new motheroars is worth it from where you are just now... Ultra sidegrade.
Other advice to save up and go i5 is the way forward.
 
why are people getting bent out of shape for the G3258?

so what you can overclock it, whats the point on overclocking a low end cpu. just buy a better cpu -> the cost of the cooling and additional space for a small grade PC is not worth it...

the G3258 is just a party piece.

Id go i3 + H81 for the same price. better alround.

Yeah, i3 beats the overclocked Pentium almost every time for gaming;
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/...y-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae/4
 
Some of the newer games actually have stuttering with two thread CPUs like the G3258 and the like.

If you need to upgrade get a Core i3 or an FX6300 or better still get something like a Core i5.

However,first try overclocking the X4 750K if you can.
 
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I wouldn't bother with a dualie these days.

I have a pentium K and a 6300 system, in most games they are both limited to the GPU which is ideal.

However any game engine that is CPU heavy the pentium K dies on its arse, the frostbite engine in bf3 and bf4 hammers it, leaves me with somthing like 60-70% gpu usage on a 7870 @4.4ghz on the pentium K.

The FX6300 doesn't limit it at all.

Im not a massive fan of the fx stuff but for the comparision and a modern system a dualie doesn't always cut it.
 
Not the most comprehensive comparison but G3258 and x4 750k seem much of a muchness.
http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-processor/3

About a week back I disabled HT and 2 cores on my 2700K to see how a dual core @4.5GHz would cope. Paired with my 7950 surprisingly well in BF4 multiplayer. Frame rate only slightly lower (GPU usage around 80%) and a tad more stuttery at times but more than playable. Didn't try any other games.
I had IE, chrome and FF open also, a total of ~50 tabs. They weren't a problem while gaming but loading/restoring those browser tabs after reboot alongside monitoring software, origin, steam etc loading gave the 2 cores quite a hammering I was not quite expecting.

With regards the OP situation. A clocked G3258 is a livable stopgap if you are definitely intending upgrading to a secondhand intel quad. But personally would wait those few months with your x4 750k, save up the money and get the i5 straight off.
 
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Good post and very honest.

Even Bit-tech who are the most hardened Intel fanboys conceded that two cores simply weren't enough any more.

And that's a website and magazine who refuse to recommend any AMD cpus.

IIRC the 6300 is actually comparable when threading well to an I5 2500.
 
Today? it's bonkers to suggest that a dual core CPU of any stature can beat a 6 core CPU with reasonable core performance. When I say reasonable I mean, when overclocked the 6300 can actually stand up there with the Core I7 920. In fact, in certain tests it will beat it.

I was with you right up till you said that

An overclocked 6300 can stand up to a 920 in most tests :eek:

Its a 4 year old intel cpu and it can only beat it in SOME tests

Sorry dude but youve lost me how anyone can recommend a 2 year old cpu, that requires a small power plant to run and only competes with a 4 year old cpu in some tests, as an upgrade is beyond me.

OP

Listen to the recommendations either go i5 or i7 if you must go second hand if you dont want to the save up for a bit.
 
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